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Lost - "The End" 5/23 series finale (spoilers)

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by jkeegan, May 23, 2010.

  1. danterner

    danterner Not it!

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    While I agree that there are quite a few things pointing away from it, I personally wouldn't go so far as to say there's absolutely nothing pointing to it:

    How about the sound of the Ajira jet, for one? It's the very last thing Jack sees and hears as he dies. The sound it makes as it passes overhead is the exact same sound used this season to introduce all of the sideways-verse segments. To me, that could be interpreted as a hint that all of the sideways-verse segments spring from Jack's dying vision. If not, why use that particular sound to preceed the flash-sidewayses? I can understand why the standard flashback "whoosh" wouldn't be used. (Was there a separate sound for the flash forwards, or was it the same whoosh?) But why the exact same Ajira noise Jack hears as he's dying? In hindsight, it would have been cool if each flash sideways had been preceeded by a whoosh made up of the sounds occuring during that character's death. For example, Sun and Jin's flash sideways could have started with the sound of flooding water. Sayid's with a whooshing explosion sound, etc.

    There's also the fact that the people in the church were Jack-centric (for lack of a better way to explain it). Why the pairing of Shannon and Sayid, for example, when it would have made more sense for it to be Sayid and Nadia? Arguably, it could be because Jack is more familiar with Shannon/Sayid than Sayid/Nadia.

    Not conclusive, but not "absolutely nothing," either. For me, it lends enough ambiguity to open the door to consider the possibility of there being an alternate interpretation. Like I said, though, ultimately I've come around to agree with you (and the majority).

    EDITED TO ADD: It's also possible to consider that while the flash sideways in the finale was Jack's dying vision/entry to purgatory, the other flash sidewayses throughout the season were not Jack's, they were those of the respective focus characters. I'm smeeking myself so I'll stop now.
     
  2. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    I saw that, and was stunned they said that. And on ABC! One of the biggest events of poor ABC's TV year, and it gets about 20 seconds on GMA. And the talking head (no idea who it was, first time I've watched GMA in decades) says, "So we found out they all died in the crash, and it was purgatory". And then she says, "So we wasted six years watching it."

    This is on ABC! :eek::thumbsdown:
     
  3. Magnolia88

    Magnolia88 She likes cheese.

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    I actually laughed. At first, I thought they were kidding. And then I thought, "oh, boy, are they going to get a lot of e-mails." :p

    It was Elizabeth Vargas and Robin Roberts iirc. I assumed that they didn't actually watch it and one of the producers just summarized it for them in their notes. Badly.
     
  4. Keith_R90210

    Keith_R90210 New Member

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    I'm not surprised. GMA is just plain awful. I can't even tolerate it anymore.

    The ending is quite heady though and it certainly isn't for everyone. Lost isn't one of those shows that appeals greatly to the average American viewer, and I'd be willing to guess that a large portion of the viewing audience who watched it would never be found in a discussion like this.

    Christian's dialogue did make it pretty clear (at least to me) but the final ABC tribute with the Oceanic wreckage definitely could throw some people off.

    I finally got to do a second viewing tonight and I am still debating on the whole Jack's dying vision thing. I'm inclined to believe that it wasn't Jack's dying vision but there are nagging pieces of evidence such as the Ajira flight engines before the FS that make me question my assumptions.

    My second viewing made me like the finale even more, despite knowing the final outcome it still evoked a strong emotional reaction from me.

    One other thing which I haven't seen anyone really mention: Is Jack wounded in the same area on his abdomen during the knife fight that he is in the beginning of the pilot?

    I remember after Jack getting stabbed that Kate and him have a dialogue that goes a long the lines of: "It's ok, stitch me up and count to five" or something like that. I thought that was a great line.

    I'm really going to miss this show.:(
     
  5. Anubys

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    absolutely not the same spot...in the pilot, it was a cut on his back, left side (where he could not reach)...in the Finale, it was on the front, right side (he could have stiched himself up to close the wound, of course, it wasn't just a deep cut, it was a deep stab with a very long knife, so stiching the cut wasn't going to help him)...
     
  6. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    I think two other things that could throw people off are:

    1) Despite Christian's clarity, there are some people (a lot of people) who get brain-freeze whenever time travel comes along. The notion that something could happen simultaneously and yet at different times in different people's personal timelines is a notion that some people (a lot?) will resist fiercely. Remember the people here, where geeky concepts are a lot more natural than out there "in the wild," who had trouble with the idea that the Losties who were stuck back in the 70s were really in the past, and that those events were taking place decades earlier than the "present day" events that were being shown in the same episodes. Then multiply that effect to adjust for how less geeky normal people are than us...

    2) The way Jack's death was shown was very, very consistent with the whole thing being in his head. I know that's not what they intended, but it very much "felt" that way (and a part of me wishes it were true, because even "it was all a dream" is better in my mind than that messy, illogical purgatory). And I suspect for people past whom the timeless purgatory zoomed, the idea that Jack was dying from the original crash (which frankly never occurred to me until people Out There started saying it) would be something they could cling to to make sense of it all.

    The fact that the Purgatory thing came so much out of the blue certainly didn't help in getting people who would have difficulty with the basic concept to grasp what was going on...
     
  7. scooterboy

    scooterboy Coney Island Small

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    Ok - I get it. I'm an idiot.

    But it's not like we weren't hit with a thousand other things going on in this finale. I didn't grok what Christian said - sue me. Maybe I was distracted by a wife or a cat during his dialog - I don't remember.

    Hell, it wouldn't be a true Lost thread without smeeking. :)
     
  8. Hunter Green

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    "They were dead the whole time" is like "Sun didn't sleep with Dae" to the tenth power.
     
  9. Freshman JS

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    how did our losties get to the island...did Jacob bring them? or did desmond failure to push the button cause the crash? did jacob know that desmond would fail to push the button at the exact moment that the plane that carried several candidates passed by? what do you guys think?
     
  10. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    Don't forget that the plane had malfunctioned and was 1,000 miles off course when it crashed. Desmond had nothing to do with that. And Desmond had nothing to do with manipulating the lives of several of the passengers to ensure they were on that plane. I think Desmond failing to push the button is the mechanism that was the direct cause of the plane crash, but the only reason the plane was there in the first place is because Jacob put it there, because he knew Desmond would fail to push the button at that time.
     
  11. drumorgan

    drumorgan a "dry" funny

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    I would love to post this (credited, of course) in my FB page to foster conversation there.
     
  12. BitbyBlit

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    Sure, be my guest. If you don't want a giant wall of text in your page, you can also directly link to it using this link.
     
  13. JYoung

    JYoung Series 3

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    There's a logical purgatory?
    Is that where Vulcans go?
     
  14. stellie93

    stellie93 Active Member

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    Yes, it was call sheet, but I couldn't remember that since I don't know what a call sheet is. But they did say that the conversation between Jack and Christian wasn't in anyone else's script and that no one was allowed to watch while they filmed it.

    I'm one of those who have "brain freeze" when trying to understand the concept of a universe where there is no concept of time. Time travel is easier to get than that, I think, but still gives me a headache. ;) It's a good question--if there is an afterlife, do we all get there at the same time, or have our older friends and relatives been there waiting for us?
     
  15. danterner

    danterner Not it!

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    Yes
     
  16. Anubys

    Anubys KMT Soccer Playa

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    actually. No.

    nobody is waiting...all get there at the same time regardless of when they die...time is not linear there...they all died at different times and they were all there at the same time (Hugo and Ben could have died thousands of years later)...
     
  17. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    Actually, you need to read the question he was answering more carefully...it was not a "yes or no" question.
     
  18. Anubys

    Anubys KMT Soccer Playa

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    oh, I noticed the question (which I thought was a little...shall we say, broad?)...but unlike SOME people, I put it into the context of the thread :rolleyes: ;)
     
  19. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    Unlike SOME people, I realized he was joking. :rolleyes: ;)
     

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