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Lost - "The End" 5/23 series finale (spoilers)

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by jkeegan, May 23, 2010.

  1. May 25, 2010 #801 of 1741
    jkeegan

    jkeegan New Member

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    Jacob seemed to be able to see what was going to happen waaaaaaaaaaaay in advance, just like a Jedi.. (MiB too, which is how he pulled off his mousetrap-like rube goldberg machine that led to Jacob's death)..

    So maybe Jacob saw that Kate, way later in life, would have been described to have a horrible life. He touched her early in life, changing her life a bit (he robbed her of the learned lesson that bad acts like stealing have negative consequences). That led her to being someone who took more risks in life, made her able to kill (in that timeline she actually killed her stepfather), and ultimately made it easier for her to shoot MiB on the cliff.

    He could see early on that Sawyer would eventually end up killing people (including an innocent man) in his search for revenge for his parents' deaths. He gave Sawyer a pen at a young age, helping him crystalize his anger towards Sawyer, making him the person he was (which made him more likely to kill MiB if given the chance). (for example)
     
  2. May 25, 2010 #802 of 1741
    jradford

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    A friend and I were discussing what allowed Ben to kill Jacob (referring to the "loop hole" not the act of "knife through heart.")

    It had always been my understanding that the "loophole" had to do with Ben being a candidate. I'd seen this postulated elsewhere and had no problems accepting it. My friends idea was that maybe the "loophole" had something to do with being healed by the water as a child. What was the general consensus on this back when it happened?
     
  3. May 25, 2010 #803 of 1741
    zordude

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    Doesn't sound like Jacob was the "good guy" at all :p

    Z
     
  4. May 25, 2010 #804 of 1741
    jkeegan

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    Interesting theory.. I'll go back to three words though: Dead is dead.
     
  5. May 25, 2010 #805 of 1741
    jkeegan

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    I'd say that by paying for her lunchbox and removing her life lesson of negative consequences for negative acts, he changed her mindset enough that she'd just go over that line and actually carry out killing her stepfather, instead of planning to and backing out at the last minute because of the consequences.. (or maybe she just chose not to kill him at all, and the universe course-correcting had someone else do it and she got blamed.. either works).
     
  6. May 25, 2010 #806 of 1741
    getreal

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    I seriously doubt that they have legal license rights from the series creators/copyright owners. That's why they are trying to do a quick cash grab and then run away before they are caught. :thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
     
  7. May 25, 2010 #807 of 1741
    TheMerk

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    It's a parody, so copyright isn't an issue. Also, shirt.woot is hardly trying to make a quick cash grab. They always offer a differnet shirt evey day for $10, after that the older shirts that are still selling well are $15. Totday, for one hour, the older shirts were $12.
     
  8. May 25, 2010 #808 of 1741
    getreal

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    You say parody, I call it as a rip-off. :p
     
  9. May 25, 2010 #809 of 1741
    DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    Either way, no self-respecting LOST fan would wear that shirt that has a crown in the middle of the Dharma logo. What is that supposed to be? That just makes it look like those San Francisco 59ers jackets I used to see when I lived in Europe.
     
  10. May 25, 2010 #810 of 1741
    getreal

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    Once you reproduce/fabricate the item and promote it for sale, it becomes a licensable product subject to intellectual property rights protection by the legal owners of the copyrights.
     
  11. May 25, 2010 #811 of 1741
    Sir_winealot

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    Wrong. The commercials totalled approximately 37 minutes.


    This. :up:
     
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    wprager

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    I think you should put this to bed by just watching B5 so it is no longer some obscure sci-fi show to you. I think your disparaging comments about it would, then, have a little more credibility.

    Like me, for example. For years (well, maybe 2-3 years) I endured my friends talking about this show, using obscure references, naming their development machines Zhadum and such. I couldn't convince them to stop because they always said "You haven't seen it." So I gritted my teeth and watched it. It was a very good story, and a great deal of it was thought out from start to finish. And the acting was really, really bad (except for most of the aliens), and the sets and SFX were done on an obviously very limited budget. And there is no way in hell that I would, overall, say that B5 was better than a lot of other shows that came after (and a few that came before) because, frankly, for me, while the writing is paramount, it simply cannot overcome bad acting, cheesy sets and effects and (forgot to mention earlier) some really, really bad music (it really fails rather badly in that respect when comparing it to Lost). Consider the analogy of a beautiful piano concerto being played by someone's 9 year old nephew on a piano in great need of tuning. Although the writing is excellent, you simply cannot enjoy the performance.

    And I still think we need a poll :)
     
  14. May 25, 2010 #814 of 1741
    gchance

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    To see how discussion threads go when everything's spelled out, go check the 24 series finale thread. :)

    Greg
     
  15. May 25, 2010 #815 of 1741
    hapdrastic

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    Whew, finally caught up to the thread.

    I was very happy with the ending of the island storyline. I was initially not pleased with the sideways storyline, but the more I think about it, the more I like it.

    And now, a question:
    Mother initially made it so that Jacob and MiB couldn't hurt eachother - at some point later in that episode Jacob punches MiB in the face 4 or 5 times. Did he bleed then? Or was he just getting knocked around? When Jack punched FLocke after the plug was pulled in the cave there was blood and FLocke seemed surprised.
     
  16. May 25, 2010 #816 of 1741
    hapdrastic

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    And another thing....

    I'm fairly certain that everyone got what they subconsciously felt they deserved in the sideways universe, that's why Sayid (who thinks he's a bad man) didn't quite have the life he'd have liked, etc.

    Something else I thought about during this monster thread: Jacob's note that said they needed to keep Sayid alive or they'd all die was accurate. If he hadn't taken the bomb and run away all of our main cast would have died.
     
  17. May 25, 2010 #817 of 1741
    jkeegan

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    Yeah but in fairness on this issue, it's understandable why people would take a bit of time to digest this one. There was clearly no "time" during which any group of Losties that included Jack could consciously "create" this place.. We never saw them sit around and say "ok, next one that gets powers, create a place for us all to meet after we die".. We also didn't see anyone say "Everyone, think/believe/wish REALLY hard that when we die we'll have a place together to meet up..."..

    So it's been tough to do, but I'm starting to accept the idea that they all created it subconsciously.. That subconsciously part feels a bit like a cop-out though, because they'd all have to at least been exposed to the idea (so their subconsciouses could know it) that maybe it was possible to create/will-into-creation some afterlife game lobby to meet up in.

    So it's certainly easier to start thinking that maybe Hurley or Jack, who have "powers" (which would seem to at least do fantastic things like allow them to make people immortal and stop guns from firing off-island) might actually have created that place (or helped people's subconsciousnesses realize that they could/should create that place).

    But in general, yeah, here at the end (where there's no reason for anyone to lie to us to preserve a secret for a later episode), if we're clearly told something, we should be pretty inclined to take it at face value.
     
  18. May 25, 2010 #818 of 1741
    getreal

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  19. May 25, 2010 #819 of 1741
    jkeegan

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    :D :up::up::up: :D

    Except he's not talking about lostpedia.. he's talking about us. :)
     
  20. May 25, 2010 #820 of 1741
    hefe

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    I'm glad someone saved me from having to check. ;)

    Perception is usually worse than reality. A typical hour long show is about what...42 minutes of actual content roughly? So 2 1/2 hours should result in 45 minutes of commercials proportionally. So wait...we had less? :D
     

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