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Lost - "The End" 5/23 series finale (spoilers)

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by jkeegan, May 23, 2010.

  1. May 24, 2010 #301 of 1741
    SeanC

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    If that's the answer then I just don't get it. I just read the wiki entry for the episode and that didn't help either.

    If I just forget about the FSW, things make a bit more sense, but the FSW just confuses the hell out of me. I don't understand why living people are in the FSW when that is supposed to be some afterlife thing. Why are living people there?
     
  2. May 24, 2010 #302 of 1741
    Turtleboy

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    Interesting that Eloise Widmore knew exactly what was going on. She got what she wanted to -- to have a different relationship with her son, who wasn't a scientist but a musician; and who was never killed by her on the Island.

    She didn't want to move on, as she liked that. More importantly, she didn't want her son to move on either.
     
  3. May 24, 2010 #303 of 1741
    Vendikarr

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    Didn't Michael's ghost tell Hugo that he couldn't move on and was stuck on the island? That would explain why he wasn't there. And Walt wasn' there because the island wasn't one of the biggest parts of his life.
     
  4. May 24, 2010 #304 of 1741
    Fool Me Twice

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    The flash sideways is a kind of limbo afterlife where the Losties meet in order to help each other "move on". Since it's outside of time, it doesn't matter when each person died, even if they died hundreds of years apart, they all experience it at the same time. But, they're all dead.
     
  5. May 24, 2010 #305 of 1741
    Fool Me Twice

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    I like to think that Hurley and Ben together might find a way to help the whispers move on. At least, those who choose to let go. Perhaps with the help of someone special, like Walt. It was not even so much as implied that that would be the case, but it's what I like to think.
     
  6. May 24, 2010 #306 of 1741
    Turtleboy

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    THEY AREN'T LIVING!!!!

    They did 5, 10, 30 or maybe in Hurley's case 1,000 years later.

    Time has not meaning there. They all died at different times, but in that place, went back to the reset point.

    And once they figured out where they were and what happened, they had memories of their entire life.

    Kate says to Jack, "I missed you so much." She may have lived for another 50 years.

    Hurley says to Ben, "You were a great #2," and he wasn't calling him a piece of sh-t. Ben says to Hurley, "You were a great #1." They both remembered their time protecting the Island.

    So again. Each person -- dead. Each person's time of death -- varies.

    I don't know what else to say.
     
  7. May 24, 2010 #307 of 1741
    Fool Me Twice

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    Daniel was very close to being awake. I think Charlotte would finish that job. Then Eloise will have to make a choice. I think they'll convince her to let go.

    I think Ben stayed behind to help Danielle and Alex along.
     
  8. May 24, 2010 #308 of 1741
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    I'm in the minority, but I think the ending was more like that Star Trek episode where Picard lived an entire life in seconds. The story was about Jack and his consciousness, but all the Losties had their own predeath experience that together created the society on the island. Each worked out his/her issues... a few examples:

    1) Jack - man of science vs man of faith as discussed.
    2) I loved how Kate was the one who killed MIB. It resolved her issue with killing her step father.
    3) Locke let go.

    Jack's change of clothes was irrelevant... it symbolized his change throughout this experience. What was real or what wasn't is open to interpretation, but that crash scene at the end was meant to tell us there were not survivors.
     
  9. May 24, 2010 #309 of 1741
    speedcouch

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    I said the exact thing to my husband after the show ended last night!

    I think the writers really copped out, but the way this season was going I knew they'd never be able to wrap it up to my satisfaction.

    Cheryl
     
  10. May 24, 2010 #310 of 1741
    nyny523

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    I think Ben stayed out of the church because the people inside were ready to "move on" and the implication was they were going to heaven.

    I'm not sure Ben ever made it to heaven.

    I loved the finale. I loved the reunions and the emotion. The best part of the series for me was always the characters - learning about their pasts, their futures and their interactions on the island.

    The rest of the stuff - for me - ranged from cool to confusing to downright uninteresting. The people were interesting. Their stories were interesting. What they meant to each other was interesting.

    And for those people who felt unsatisfied that all their questions had not been answered - if you have ever lost someone you cared about, you realize that there are always more questions than answers after they are gone. That is the nature of life and death. There are always so many answers you will never, ever get. Because the person is Lost. I think THAT is what the series was really about in the end...
     
  11. May 24, 2010 #311 of 1741
    betts4

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    Sign me up. :(

    I thought of that when it happened and then thought of the 'last supper' LOST repainting that has been around.

    She and Ben both made that decision. Question, didn't Ben fear triggering the recall of memories when he touched Alex? She died on the island.

    I watched the last 1/2 hour again this morning and am still moved by it. I don't really need to figure it all out. Maybe that's why I can handle it. The characters I have come to know and love for 6 years are gone.

    Sayid and Shannon makes sense - Sayid was in love with Nadia but she moved on to someone else. He had this sort of faraway love and never wanted to give her up. Once he reunited with Shannon he remembered what he had found with her on the island. Love from someone that loved him back.

    I was sad about Helen not being there for Locke and no one was there for Boone. It would have been amusing to see Vincent there. All in all, I was satisfied.
     
  12. May 24, 2010 #312 of 1741
    Carlucci

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    For those wondering why Jack had a son in the alt-timeline, couldn't it be his way of dealing with his bad relationship with his own father? What better way to reconcile your issues with your dead father than to experience fatherhood yourself, to make the same mistakes your own father made, to have to opportunity to become aware of those mistakes, and then to take positive steps to heal your relationship. This is exactly what Jack did. His son was a means of redemption.

    I figured out the alt-timeline wasn't going to be real the moment that Locke said "You don't have a son, Jack."

    I loved this show, and the ending.
     
  13. May 24, 2010 #313 of 1741
    betts4

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    Great post!
     
  14. May 24, 2010 #314 of 1741
    Turtleboy

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    I think an interesting question is which of the people who populated the flash sideways were there for real -- dead people who created the place to find each other and need to let go, and which were not really there?

    Jack's son David was not really there.

    But what about Charles Widmore? Was that really him, or just created by Desmond and Penny and Eloise?

    Cindy the flight attendant?
     
  15. May 24, 2010 #315 of 1741
    mmilton80

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    The ending was not what I was looking for. I wanted answers to all of my lingering questions. What is MIB's name? How did CJ end up on the island to begin with? After watching the ending, I felt like I had been asking for the answer to the Ultimate Question, and the answer I got was 42.

    After much reflection (and a bit of sleep), I feel that the finale gave me what I needed. A sense of reassurance. We saw these broken individuals end up on this island to learn that they needed each other. I feel that it was a deeply satisfying ending.
     
  16. May 24, 2010 #316 of 1741
    wprager

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    I have to say that I am very satisfied. I was wondering how they would tie it up and, of course, I didn't expect all the questions to be answered, and all mysteries to be solved. There are probably a few that I wouldn't mind being resolved, but not enough so to gripe about it. Ultimately, it does not matter.

    In a short while I'll start re-watching this with my soon-to-be 14 year old. While I think he'll really enjoy the ride, I am saddened to think that he will be really disappointed by the ending.

    OK, looking back at that "Call Sheet" for the next-to-last day of shooting that was spoiled a couple of weeks ago, it looks legit in hindsight (I'd been wondering if it was a fake or a red herring planted by the producers). One of the scene descriptions is interesting. I'll spoilerize it since this was *not* in the show (although it was certainly depicted in the show):

    INT CAVERN/STEAM
    Jack finds Desmond unconscious; puts rock over hole. [this makes it sound legit]

    INT CAVERN/WATER
    Jack in Hell; light returns; water starts to trickle.

    So is that what they were going for with the red light?
     
  17. May 24, 2010 #317 of 1741
    rlc1

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    What's your problem, man? Is it too much to ask for a little bit of explanation? I watched the show - did you? Do you think the major questions were answered in the finale? I didn't - so let's hear your response. A forum is an exchange of ideas. Do you have any ideas of your own besides implying that I'm stupid because I didn't find the answers I was seeking? Something intelligent please, not just another post that basically says that I'm an a-hole because I disagree with you. I mean, gimme a break...it seems like the only hating going on here is the hatred some people have for those of us that didn't like the finale.
     
  18. May 24, 2010 #318 of 1741
    MikeMar

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    I am probably BEYOND Smeeking, and smeeking from other threads, but about the pregnancy thing

    Isn't it simply just this
    You can't conceive and have kids on the island because Jacob or whoever has to BRING the candidates, or the next in line from OUTSIDE the island and NOT conceived and born on the island.
     
  19. May 24, 2010 #319 of 1741
    Turtleboy

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    Listening to the producers' podcasts, they talked about two things from other movies that they hated and wanted to avoid.

    1) Midichlorians
    2) The Matrix Revolutions -- the scene where the architect explains everything.

    Both were lame.
     
  20. May 24, 2010 #320 of 1741
    nyny523

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    The smoke monster was what the Man in Black turned into after he went into the cave.

    That's what it was. That is the character. You can accept it or not - that is your choice.

    It is a story. A story does not always have explainations or answers. It's a tale. Either you are on-board to accept what the story tells you, or you aren't.

    In a way, to me, the people who expected iron-clad answers to all the questions posed are like the Jack's "man of science" character. Not everything in a story can be explained. Some things just ARE. You believe or you don't. Totally your choice. But just because all of your questions weren't answered, doesn't mean it wasn't a good story...
     

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