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Lost - "The End" 5/23 series finale (spoilers)

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by jkeegan, May 23, 2010.

  1. May 24, 2010 #261 of 1741
    atrac

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    Just one, as an example.

    "What is the island?"

    "It's a magical/mysterious/unknown place" is the answer. That was already a given in earlier seasons. So I have no new information for them.

    Personally, I want to know what "the magic box" is that Ben referred to that "whatever you want to be inside will appear" (paraphrased). The one that brought Locke's father to the island.

    I know, I know. "It's a magic box." What else could I possibly want to know about it???
     
  2. May 24, 2010 #262 of 1741
    Peter000

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    Pretty much this. Lost was Jack's story more than any others.

    I'm not wild about the sideways alternate reality being an afterlife. But it pretty much makes sense the way it turned out, and I can live with it. Otherwise a perfect series finale.

    The series as a whole? Well, it was first and foremost about the spiritual journey of the people who survived the 815 crash. They arrived to the island with demons either spiritual or physical or both, and ended up moving on with a modicum of peace. Some had to work it out after they died. Some, like Jack, worked it out through their Journey on the island.

    The island mythos was a means to that journey. We just saw snatches of the island's long history. These were the parts that were important to tell the 815ers stories. For example, the statue's history just isn't important to tell Hurley's story. The origin of the food drops aren't important to James' getting revenge on the man that conned his parents and ruined his life.

    In the end, the characters didn't know any more than we did. It didn't really matter to Jack what exactly the Island's light was or how it worked, just that it DID have to be protected, and the MIB was tied to it somehow, and the key to defeating him lie there.

    That's not to say some more info about the island mythos wouldn't be fun and appreciated. But i don't feel a huge need to know where Jacob and MIB's mom came from (either one of them). Or any other of the big unanswered questions. They're just moot to the story that was told.

    I feel part loss, part relief, part joy that this series has come to an end. It was an emotional show to watch, and often hard to see what the characters were going through. But I'm glad that it ended on it's own terms, and the forces behind the series got to tell the story they wanted to tell, and how they wanted to tell it, to an appreciative audience. It's not a series that was "phoned in." It was profoundly evident that great care was taken by everyone involved to make it the best it could possibly be. And as a fan, I really appreciate that.
     
  3. May 24, 2010 #263 of 1741
    Wil

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    No. You totally underestimate the series. The Island is a Magic Place in which anything can happen. And, BTW, there is a Purgatory in which anything can happen. And, BTW, the world (outside the Island and Purgatory) is also a Magic Place in which anything can happen. Everybody who was wanted and available hugs at the End.
     
  4. May 24, 2010 #264 of 1741
    Peter000

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    That particular question was answered by Ben. He said it was "Metaphorical." It wasn't really a "magic box." Obviously they brought Locke's father to the island on the sub.
     
  5. May 24, 2010 #265 of 1741
    gchance

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    Alright. I loved it. Worth every second.

    I just finished reading the thread. 9 pages, and it's now 12:50am. I've been watching Kimmel, it's been 45 minutes. Holy crap. :)

    Anyway a couple thoughts, someone mentioned the ages of the actors, I think it showed most in the younger cast members. Both Emilie deRavin & Evangeline Lilly have aged (Emilie's face is a lot wider). I suppose it was more noticeable after watching the pilot yesterday.

    I see the fact that many of the Losties aren't in the last scene as for some folks, that wasn't the best time of their lives.

    I don't get why people completely ignore what Christian Shepherd said. He gave the most expository lines in the whole series, he explained it all to Jack.

    Greg
     
  6. May 24, 2010 #266 of 1741
    spikedavis

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    Wow. They really resorted to some religious BS "afterlife" nonsense? What a letdown.

    I actually enjoyed most of the episode until the ending-but ultimatelyas a whole, the entire series "tentpoles" are ultimately meaningless. Desmonds flashes/Dharma/Walt. Everything that was MADE to be important through the mythology of the series is rendered moot and that to me is a betrayal to your audience. As other people said, thus ending is really only relevant to this final season and not the series as a whole.
     
  7. May 24, 2010 #267 of 1741
    Fahtrim

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    lol, did you even watch it or read the thread above you. So wrong. Please don't make it worse than it was, they didn't have a story arch until this last season imo.
     
  8. May 24, 2010 #268 of 1741
    gchance

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    Ah yes, forgot to comment on the wreckage.

    The island is there. The wreckage is there. The survivors got off the island, they are not there. Yet the island & wreckage remain. Can't get much more straightforward than that.

    Greg
     
  9. May 24, 2010 #269 of 1741
    Peter000

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    That's if you regard the series as a whole as a story about the island. It wasn't.

    As mentioned numerous times it was a story about Jack and the other castaways. The Island stuff was only there to further their story, not the other way around.
     
  10. May 24, 2010 #270 of 1741
    spikedavis

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    That's called a excuse for lazy writing.
     
  11. May 24, 2010 #271 of 1741
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    I'm leaning toward not liking the ending, or the flash sideways, or season six as a whole, which is very difficult for me. Maybe I'm just tired and need to approach it with a fresh mind. I've been struggling with the ending for a few hours now, and I'm feeling worse and worse. Honestly, I feel something like grief, which is odd since it was meant to be a happy ending. Perhaps it's tied to losing the show. I don't really know. Where's the LOST survivors support group?
     
  12. May 24, 2010 #272 of 1741
    Wil

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    Have you read or attended a performance of "Our Town"? Not to put these guys on that level, but they _are_ very good. The artiface of an afterlife (and a Purgatory and even a Magic Island) are not what the author is talking about, but simply a dramatic device to establish a place from which to comment.

    If there _is_ anything here beyond just a few clever people creating a very effective put-on, it begins and ends with Jack. Kimmel I think may turn out to have it kinda right (but again I don't really think there IS anything here).

    Jack (in my hypothetical view of Lost as a legitimate piece of work), strung out by having lived a life and having had experiences that would have reduced Job to a quivering mass of jelly, has, at a point of extreme physical trauma, images and threads of imaginary events (a lot of them based on faces he has recently seen: fellow passengers) flash through his brain in an instant, in an effort to provide some meaningful resolution to his life. He succeeds.
     
  13. May 24, 2010 #273 of 1741
    spikedavis

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    I'm pasting this that another guy at AICN wrote-he sums up how I feel perfectly:

    ...the characters and not the plot. Over its length this was one of the most plot heavy shows ever made, with virtually every character beat used primarily to illustrate a plot point, but okay, I'll accept that.
    But even if that was the case almost every character in the show was given short shrift in season six and most especially in the finale. In season six Sawyer was reduced to a cipher, Locke was no longer Locke, Jin and Sun were starved for screen time and Kate was essentially reduced to a one-note character, that note being to reunite Claire and Aaron. Two episodes were absolutely devoted to the "unimportant and incidental" plot, Ab and Sea, which didn't include the characters we have been following at all. Only Jack and Ben were allowed any significant character development in the season. And the finale ignored further character development almost completely, shuffling all of the remaining characters around like chess pieces except for Jack while the flash sideways played nothing but a victory lap clips package while making sure every couple and significant pairing had a re-meet cute that relied completely on replaying effective original moments from the show's run.

    You know, I'll watch Lost again, there was some awful good stuff this last six years, but no, this was not good.
     
  14. May 24, 2010 #274 of 1741
    Roadblock

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    Well, your story probably doesn't include crash-landing on The Island, so no.

    What exactly is the smoke monster? Do you want molecular diagrams or something? Not a single question answered, really? Did you even watch the show? Keep on hatin.

    C'mon, the first season was more about the characters than the island's story. Without these characters, people would not have cared about the island. I too was disappointed in a lot of where this last season went, but I thought this last episode was awesome. It was about finishing the story for our characters in an epic way, and I was satisfied. I didn't really agree with some minor things, like Sayid and Shannon together, but I can live with it.

    Worst post of the thread, really. How embarrassing.

    I agree completely, but you said it better than I could, so I'll just +1 you, thanks.
     
  15. May 24, 2010 #275 of 1741
    Polcamilla

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    I felt the ending was very similar to the ending of the Chronicles of Narnia.

    Aside from that, was there ever a point to the Tailies except to reunite Rose and her husband?
     
  16. May 24, 2010 #276 of 1741
    SusieK

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    The whole Christian, Jesus, Shepherd, reference didn't really hit me until Kate repeated Christian Shepherd's name sarcastically to Desmond, while their car was parked in front of the church as the coffin was being delivered (and I heard it coming through her bystander point of view)... I can't believe it took me only 6 years to make that connection!?!

    I also liked the fact Jack got 'speared' in the side, and sacrificed himself for the greater good... a definite Jesus reference.
     
  17. May 24, 2010 #277 of 1741
    Peter000

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    Libby was in the Tailie group as well. Who sparked Hugo's memories.

    But really, I think that real life interfered with some of those stories. They wrote Eko out because the actor playing him hated the shooting conditions and wanted out. They wrote Ana Lucia out because she was getting drunk and arrested in her off time, and it was interfering with her work.

    Those two might have had bigger roles in the show otherwise.
     
  18. May 24, 2010 #278 of 1741
    Wil

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    The tailies were also faces/life story fragments Jack encountered proximate to the crash. They, along with significant philosopher/author names from his reading over the years, needed to be worked into his final fantasy. We as viewers tried to find "Lost-author" logic. But Jack, as he invented new characters, simply applied names as seemed appropriate to _him_ in that instant.

    What do we know about Jack? I think we can take the Pilot pre-crash, and his back-story incidents, at face value. He is a man of science. Cause & effect. He needs to fix things, to make them fit, to enforce resolution. All the raw material running through his brain at the point of trauma needed to be reconciled to make his life/death meaningful to him.

    In this view (which I really don't believe) the authors' main regret coming out is they simply didn't know from the beginning all the specific actors that would turn out to be significant. Else they all would have been glimpsed as passengers or explicitly in Jack's back-stories (e.g. Desmond, who also suggested the "next life" theme and "seeing him again" I believe, and agin I think we can take this as truth). Though as I think on it, many characters did get inserted in Jack's backstories further in, didn't they. Maybe all of them; I don't think so, but an interesting exercise.
     
  19. May 24, 2010 #279 of 1741
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    Yes, it does seem somewhat like that, as I remember it.
     
  20. May 24, 2010 #280 of 1741
    Delta13

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    I'm like several others - I need time to digest the last 15 minutes or so. Certainly it wasn't the train wreck some feared it might be, but I can't vote it the best finale show evar yet either. Visually, the show has no equals. Staging a shot, reminding you of previous sequences years ago, dynamic perspectives - all great. The writing ... not as pretty sometimes.

    The funniest part for me was the beginning. There's a 2 hour retrospective going over everything that has happened on Lost, and immediately following that what starts the actual show? "Previously, on Lost ..." :D
     

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