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Losing live TV when scheduled show starts

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by hershey4, Oct 11, 2013.

  1. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    Why?
    Your statement below does not disagree with anything I've said.

    You seem to believe that I'm saying that a Premiere Tivo should behave the way it does. I am not. What I'm saying is that there is a problem and you can easily avoid it. If you know this can happen and you continue to lose live tv to recordings, it's your own fault for not recording what you were watching.

    TiVo, TV your way does not mean that a Tivo is required to do what you want, it has only ever meant within the scope of what a Tivo does. If your Premiere loses live tv for a recording, TV your way is not an option.

    So again, why do you disagree with methods to get around this problem?

    It's a dvr, if you want to watch something, record it.
     
  2. jrtroo

    jrtroo User

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    Look- if you know the behavior, then you know how to work the scenario. RECORD.

    Even if working as the OP had hoped, a simple button push could dump the buffer. RECORDING would prevent that it totality.

    When done, then delete. Plus, you can go to the park, walk the dog, whatever, and miss ALL of the commercials. Watch two games in succession without flipping around in about, 30 minutes a game.
     
  3. hershey4

    hershey4 New Member

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    That's why they make chocolate vanilla and strawberry ice cream. everybody likes different flavors. Why should someone be forced to have chocolate if they want vanilla. It is about having control and having choices. For mega bucks I paid for this hunk of electronics, I should be able to do whatever ***I*** want with it (within the design specifications). That's the point. You think your way is fine, but clearly its good for YOU, not the world.
     
  4. hershey4

    hershey4 New Member

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    Lets agree to disagree and move on to more interesting threads...
     
  5. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    You still clearly do not understand that I don't disagree on how the Tivo should work.
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    "It's a dvr, if you want to watch something, record it." is not my way as you seem to believe, it as a means to prevent the problem

    If live tv means that much to you and you choose to not prevent the problem, you have absolutely no good reason to complain when it happens.
     
  6. CrispyCritter

    CrispyCritter Purple Ribbon Wearer

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    That's an unbelievably arrogant statement to make.

    So you would say:
    1. If you only get 4 tuners working on your 6 tuner Roamio, and you don't change your Roamio to only use 4 tuners, then you have absolutely no good reason to complain?
    2. If your TiVo reboots because because you have a green switch, and you continue to use the green switch, then you have absolutely no good reason to complain?
    3. If you were using 1080p with Netflix, and you didn't change it to 1080i, then you had absolutely no good reason to complain? (This has been fixed).

    This is a bug; it is not how TiVo has deliberately designed their system. The original poster has every right to complain about it. For you to say he doesn't is just mind-boggling to me.
     
  7. CrispyCritter

    CrispyCritter Purple Ribbon Wearer

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    I would say that the advice to "just hit the record button" is being given by folks who don't appreciate how others watch TV. Even after 13 years of TiVo, my wife is still an inveterate channel flipper. So is she supposed to change channels, hit the record button, then 5 minutes later change channels again, then go to My Shows, and delete the 5 minutes of recording, then go back to live-tv and continue channel flipping? Don't be ridiculous.
     
  8. treaty

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    This is ridiculous. Anyone that has used previous versions of TiVo knows that this live tv buffer disappearing when scheduled recording begins on the same channel issue is a bug in the current Premier software version. The "other option" is for TiVo to fix the bug and make this work the way that it should... The way it's always worked in the past. The appropriate answer to the OP was just "it's a bug and we all wish TiVo would fix it".
     
  9. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    Some would think that offering a viable method to work around the shortfall would be more appropriate than simply telling the Op that the problem they see is a problem especially when the OP did ask if there was something they could do about it.
     
  10. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    I have a question for all the people complaining about this bug.

    Are you spending as much time complaining to TiVo about this bug as you are arguing about it in this thread?

    I hope so, because you're not doing anything but wasting your time here.
     
  11. hershey4

    hershey4 New Member

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    I have reported my complaint to them and have been awaiting a response for near 24 hours. It will come in their typical slooooooooooooooow fashion.

    @treaty is right. I (OP) wasn't initially thinking bug... I was initially thinking "maybe new and improved behavior - change of design" (just like new and improved sluggish navigation and other crap about Premiere I am coming to dislike). It is totally a new phenomena to me to embrace that Tivo is just another package of software complete with defects and performance issues and baggage. With my S2, Tivo used to just be a piece of hardware that did what I wanted. I just assumed Premiere would be the same reliability factor with more features. Boy, was I wrong!
     
  12. jrtroo

    jrtroo User

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    No, I totally get it. If someone chooses not to learn a feature, or to not record and instead flip around back and forth with the buffer and potentially lose some content, that is up to them. I'm just indicating that hitting record, in this instance, addresses (and perhaps solves) the problem.

    For your wife, I would suggest (its up to her) to hit record, and then either do something else or watch something else recorded, and then go back. She could potentially watch two interesting programs in the same space of time. If she chooses not to do this, no problem. Just indicating a potential solution.
     
  13. NorthAlabama

    NorthAlabama tabasco rules

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    wrong, i have every right to complain about buggy software, even if there's a workaround - users in this forum do it daily.

    this is a huge bug, and contributes directly to unsatifactory performance. i shouldn't have to record every live show i watch, or view my to do list with each live channel change, just to avoid losing the live tv buffer.

    countless times this has cost me the last 5 minutes of a show, and it's disappointing to have to go online, sometimes the next day, just to see the ending of a show - isn't that what tivo is for? other tivos and different mfg dvrs don't act this way, so it's not only a bug, it's a competitive issue, too.
     
  14. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    Your are right, you shouldn't have to record everything, but the thing is, unless you do, you will continue to lose the end of what you were watching and it will be your fault for not being proactive about a problem that you are well aware of.

    and why on earth would you have to check the TDL after every channel change?
     
  15. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    If she's not really watching anything because she's flipping channels, she isn't really losing anything when a recording starts. My advice to record what you watch wouldn't be for her because she clearly isn't investing any time in anything in order to need to see the end. And you also seem to not understand that all I'm doing is suggesting a way to get around the problem. if it doesn't work for you that's fine, but it does not negate the advice.


    and you clearly have some convoluted thinking going on if you think it would be necessary to delete each recording as you go rather than deleting them at one time that is convenient.
     
  16. NorthAlabama

    NorthAlabama tabasco rules

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    just another poor example of a workaround - you check your to do list to check for upcoming recordings on the same channel before you change live tv channels. if you forget upcoming recordings by the time you change channels again, you have to look again...
     
  17. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    Don't understand why you are still arguing against not losing what you want to watch.
    I understand that this is problem that people want solved and TiVo is the only one that can solve it. In the meantime, you can prevent losing what you want to watch by simply recording it. If that is not practical, then don't do it, but to argue against it is just plain asinine.

    It's like buying a car that later develops an air leak in a tire. You have to keep adding air until it get's fixed. Arguing that you shouldn't have to add air to prevent damage because it didn't always do it and that it's not convenient to do so will not change the fact that you have to do something.
     
  18. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    Do you have any better work-around options that have not been mentioned?
    I'm sure everyone would be greatful to hear what you have to offer on the subject
     
  19. NorthAlabama

    NorthAlabama tabasco rules

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    when did agreeing a software bug that causes live tv to be lost is a pain become "arguing"?
    where exactly did i argue against workarounds to become "asinine"?
     
  20. hershey4

    hershey4 New Member

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    until it gets fixed by who? Ford? not a good analogy. It is within my control to get the tire fixed. I have no control over what Tivo does. Sure, I can attempt to influence their decisions, but I cannot fix the problem no matter what I do.
     

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