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Longer Buffer

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by awax, Jun 16, 2012.

  1. Jun 16, 2012 #21 of 129
    lrhorer

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    That's not a case for a buffer option. That is a case for the user to properly set up his TiVo. If it is a show in which you might be interested, then if the TiVo is properly configured, it will already be recording the show.

    Note also the odds of such an event are vanishingly small. Out of perhaps 200 - 500 channels, the odds the two (four in the case of the elite) tuners being "inactive" but tuned to one of the top two most interesting programs out of the 200 or so available channels is typically less than 1%.
     
  2. Jun 16, 2012 #22 of 129
    aaronwt

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    I use the TiVO search and end up finding it on netflix or somewhere else. Or the TiVO is already recording the show. Since I enabled suggesstions on both my Elites, they are typically each recording four shows when I look at them. And I find the bulk of the suggestions it records are HD shows I would want to watch. Even the numerous Lifetime movies it records from suggestions.
     
  3. Jun 16, 2012 #23 of 129
    dboff01

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    If the technology to pause live TV existed when you were 13, you are the opposite of old. :)
     
  4. Jun 16, 2012 #24 of 129
    JoeTaxpayer

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    For me, it's zero. I plan ahead, admittedly, a bit OCD.
    Your 1% is incorrect. The tuners are not on random channels, they are on the last channel watched or recorded. And (not me) I'm sure someone turns the TV on (lifetime was an example one poster offered) with a channel with a show that grabs one's interest. This request is not at the top of my own wish list but I can see a case for it. That's all. To make my wife happy. Happy flows downstream....
    By the way, this would seem a very minor SW update, the TiVo SW writers need to flip a few bytes and let them flow.
     
  5. Jun 16, 2012 #25 of 129
    sneagle

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    I agree that a longer buffer would be useful. User adjustable (within reason) is probably best.

    And I watch live TV all the time. I watch the news in the AM but do not record. I channel flip in bed at night for 15-30 min before I go to bed.

    Bottom line...different users watch TV differently. TiVo allows that!
     
  6. Jun 16, 2012 #26 of 129
    bbrown9

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  7. Jun 16, 2012 #27 of 129
    MeInDallas

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    My graduation gift from my parents was a Sony Betamax :eek:

    I remember searching for blank videotapes and comparing the prices and trying to find out what was the best brand. Then VHS came along and I had a hard time budging over to that format. I never dreamed one day I would have a house full of Tivo's and all those tapes would be sitting in a landfill somewhere :rolleyes:

    I've always wished there was an option for a longer buffer on Tivo. With the size of hard drives now it wouldnt make such a big difference. Sometimes when I turn the TV on theres something on the news that I would like to be able to go back farther but cant.

    I have noticed however, if the buffer on a Premiere is at around 40 - 45 minutes you can hit record and it will save all the way back to when the show began. I just noticed that recently. There must be a buffer to the buffer.
     
  8. Jun 16, 2012 #28 of 129
    gantt

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    Just because a program isn't one of the top two or four "most interesting" (per whose definition?) doesn't mean I don't have an interest in viewing it from an earlier point in time. Also, since they fixed the commercial downloading that was present in my S2, the tuners no longer switch to some bizarre channel in the middle of the night - they're typically on channels that I already watch, not tuned randomly across 200-500 channels.

    I like a lot of what TiVo does, but you seem to be saying that TiVo's algorithm is so good it can read my mind. Better yet, it can anticipate the contents of a program like a news report where a story may have little or nothing to do with the program's title or generic content description. I'd say you're drinking the Kool-Aid, but I don't think even TiVo is serving that.
     
  9. Jun 16, 2012 #29 of 129
    astrohip

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    The question originally posted was not "let me tell you why I need a longer buffer, so you can tell my why I don't".

    It was...
     
  10. Jun 16, 2012 #30 of 129
    steve614

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    I haven't had that many occasions where I wished I had a longer buffer.
    I don't think TiVo will ever change it because they want to be able to advertise a set number in the hours of recording capacity.
    From what I have read, this is because the Tivo records live TV in blocks of a certain memory size that is always longer than 30 minutes. When you hit record, the Tivo saves everything that was in that memory block.
    The amount of extra programming saved depends on the source.
    For example, you might only catch an extra 10 minutes with HD, while an SD channel will have the entire recording.
    You must be new here. Welcome to the Tivo Community Forum! :p
     
  11. Jun 17, 2012 #31 of 129
    awax

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    I agree it should be a configurable setting. At least give me an hour TiVo!
     
  12. Jun 17, 2012 #32 of 129
    DonaldBurns65144

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    At least one hour. 2 hours better. User select would be okay too.
     
  13. Jun 17, 2012 #33 of 129
    Ed_Hunt

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    How about blank recordable cds were $7 each and you almost always had to do at least 2 burns because of buffer underruns. And my first computer was a commadore 64. Thats old. (born in '49). I would love the option of a longer buffer like on Media Center.



     
  14. Jun 17, 2012 #34 of 129
    aaronwt

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    So does anyone use suggestions? With suggestions enabled on the Elites, many times it will put all tuners on the same channel when it's not recording a suggestion for some reason. So for me, the odds of it even being on a channel I want, is extremely slim. After all these years I've only recently started using suggestions. Both boxes had over 100 hours of HD suggestions pretty quickly after I enabled them. Anyway since the box isn't usually on a channel I want, it makes it even less likely that there would be a situation where I would want to take advantage of a longer buffer. It's always been 30 minutes on the TiVos I've used and it's not been an issue.
    Also if they were going to change the buffer length you would think they would have done it by now. But you never know. I doubt its a simple task to make it longer. It would probably have a huge effect on the code to change it and would involve alot of effort to change it.
     
  15. Jun 17, 2012 #35 of 129
    ShayL

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    The burn errors started the coaster joke. The burners were 1X or 2X so you would spend a lot of time burner before you got the error. My first computer was a Vic 20 which is the predecessor to the Commodore 64. I will never miss the tape drive storage method.
     
  16. Jun 17, 2012 #36 of 129
    JoeTaxpayer

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    One amazing thing would be to be able to tell the TiVo who the shows are for. When I enabled suggestions, the TiVo latched onto the fact that my kid (maybe 6 at the time) had a few series recordings, so most suggestions were geared toward her. If shows could be tagged "mom" "dad" "kid1" etc, suggestions might follow into folders for that viewer. Too complex?
    The folders would also make viewing easier, I can go right to my folder instead of wading through the shows for the others. With a 4 tuner on the way, that list will get long fast.
     
  17. Jun 17, 2012 #37 of 129
    todd_j_derr

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    +1 astrohip. I'd love a longer buffer, and I'm certainly not going to be persuaded otherwise by claims I'm using my Tivo incorrectly. The last two non-Tivo DVRs I've used have had longer buffers, not to mention my old hacked S1. 90-120 minutes would be great, although if it were up to me I'd just let the buffer take up all the free space on the disk.
     
  18. Jun 17, 2012 #38 of 129
    DonaldBurns65144

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    Aaron, Hard drives used to be a lot smaller on earlier Tivo models and larger buffers would have eaten a large percentage of their space. Yes, we use suggestions. But I also use thumbs up and down and so we get very few suggestions. I can't tell you how many times that something unexpected (honey-do's, contractor issues, next door neighbor needing help and etc) had me jump up from a live show and by the time I got back the end of what I was watching was gone because the buffer was 5 or 10 minutes too little. But I can tell you that 99% of time is was for something that wasn't repeated at some later time.
     
  19. Jun 17, 2012 #39 of 129
    aaronwt

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    That is why in 2002 I started hitting the record key any time I watched something. Prior to that I did the same thing as you. Once I started hitting the record key I never had to worry about missing something.
     
  20. Jun 17, 2012 #40 of 129
    lrhorer

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    Per your definition. You are the one watching the TiVo.

    You are missing the point, entirely. First of all, the number four only relates to the Elite. Let's take the number two, instead, since most people do not have an Elite. Of all the channels you receive, at the moment you sit down there will be two that are broadcasting the two most interesting programs of all. They may not in fact be of much interest, but they would be judged by you to be the best. Now, if those two are in fact less interesting than something you have already recorded, then I would wonder why you bother watching either one, but we'll set that aside. The point is, the odds of either of those programs being on a live channel is very small.

    That begs several questions.

    1. Why do you watch a "channel". The TiVo makes channel assignments irrelevant. I haven't watched a "channel" in over 12 years. If an interesting program airs, the TiVo records it, continuously compiling several times more interesting programs than I could possibly ever watch. The odds of any active program even being in the top 100 are just about zilch, unless of course the TiVo is recording it.

    2. If that program is anything interesting, why isn't the TiVo already recording it?

    Well, it can, of course, or at least it can and does read your recording habits. Add to that your input via the thumbs-up and thumbs-down buttons, and judicious use of wishlists, and the odds of missing an interesting program are pretty small, tuner conflicts aside. (Tuner conflicts don't count, however, because by definition a buffer cannot be active if a tuner conflict is in play.) Certainly the odds of what is on but not being recorded being better than the average of what has been recorded is vanishingly small.

    That is the exception, but OTOH, recording the local and national news every day, or even three times a day is trivial.

    Nonesense. I like Alfred Hitchcock, so every time one of his films airs, no matter what the channel, it is recorded. Ditto Clint Eastwood, both as director and featuring him as an actor. Anything with Sandra Bullock, Peter O'Toole, Humphrey Bogart, etc. is similarly recorded. Anything whose similarities place it in close proximity to the things I have given a thumbs-up gets recorded. I record the local weather twice a day, and a local news feed once a day. All in all, typically more than 20 hours of programming gets recorded every day, and the odds of any program that happens to be on an inactive tuner being more interesting than even one of these is exceedingly low. That doesn't even take into account SDV channels. Until yesterday, I was on an SDV system, and almost all the programs I recorded were on SDV channels. Thus, once the recording was over, the SDV system would release the stream, so that unless one or both were actively recording, both buffers would almost always be busy.
     

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