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London Olympics TV Coverage Thread

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Marco, Jul 25, 2012.

  1. Aug 3, 2012 #261 of 691
    Steveknj

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    The question did include that you had to factor in everything

    So it's not just how to make it a better broacast but how to make it a better broadcast within the current restraints they have and you HAVE to consider ratings and expenses in your improvements. If I could do anything, I'd want every event live and repeated 4x during the day so I could catch it anytime I want, and have 20 channels with full announcing teams in every venue, but that's not going to happen.
     
  2. Aug 3, 2012 #262 of 691
    Steveknj

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    I like Trautwig, but then again, he's a NY guy so I'm used to him and I get what he's trying to do. Much like people "get" Joe Buck, who I think is a terrible announcer, I don't think some people get Trautwig. That said, events with short spurts of action like gymnastics is not the type of broadcast he's that great at. He's better at things like a marathon, or road race, something where he cold tell a story, which he's very good at.
     
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    That Don Guy

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    I am pretty sure NBC has aired at least one event this year with another broadcaster's commentary team. Nothing new about this; NBC used the Australian commentary for the 2000 men's and women's field hockey finals.
    Perhaps this is one reason they don't like using other commentators - the accents can be distracting. (IMO, there are some exceptions; for example, Phil Liggett.)

    Speaking of Liggett, he thinks that BMX and mountain biking have no place in the Olympics. I think he's half-right; the way BMX is implemented, it sticks out like a sore thumb, but I don't see a problem with how the mountain biking is organized.

    Unfortunately, first and foremost, the Olympics are "entertainment" - if it was "news," there would be no commercials. (Name the last time a State of the Union address had a commercial break.) As far as NBC (and, for that matter, CBS and ABC, when they covered the Olympics) is concerned, they might as well title it "USA Against the World," as this is how the vast majority of primetime viewers see it. Be glad that they show every country; in 1996, not only did they just list the countries that were skipped when they came back from commercials (and, IIRC, they didn't even do this every time), but Hungary and Turkmenistan were skipped so they could have live interviews with Charles Barkley and Michael Johnson waiting for USA's turn to enter the stadium.
    I believe the excuse NBC gave was along the lines of, "it wasn't about the USA" - er, and the rest of the opening ceremony was? Speaking of which, I wonder how many references in the opening Thames river scene were lost to most American viewers (hands up, those of us who caught the EastEnders reference).
    I agree about the snark, but at the same time, understand that, in a number of sports, the Olympics are the only time a number of people watch them. Case in point: until NBC aired a judo match, I was not aware that they had done away with the lowest level of scoring ("koka"). I wonder how many people saw the water polo and wondered, "Why do they keep calling the 4m line the 5m line - and where's the 7m line now?", or still wonder just what the new boxing scoring system is ("they take the three scores that are closest together," not bothering to explain what that means - it's the set of three scores where the difference between the average and the number farthest from the average is the lowest).
    I don't know about other parts of the country, but the version of "The Olympic Zone" that airs in the San Francisco area is almost certainly a local show - either that, or it is a combination of "national" pieces and spots where they can stick in spots for local athletes.

    As for the features, NBC still believes, "No features = no women viewers = no women watching the commercials = we have to give away commercial time on our best shows The Voice to advertisers to whom we promised a particular rating."

    Here's another one:

    When you show a medal ceremony, show the whole thing. If an American won the gold, don't show just the winner receiving their medal, followed by the anthem. (NBC did this with the women's all-around ceremony.) If an American won a silver or bronze, don't show just the Americans receiving a medal - other countries have national anthems too.
    Nothing slapped other countries in the face like the 1996 women's basketball medal ceremony, where they showed Team USA receiving its medals, and each player was introduced separately, but before they could get to the other two medalist countries, "We'll be back with the National Anthem after these commercials." They did show all three medalists for men's basketball, but almost certainly because the other two countries had "name" NBA players (Vlade Divac, Arvydas Sabonis, and Sirunis Marciulionis). I wouldn't be surprised if NBC "convinced" subsequent organizers to give out the gold medals last so they wouldn't have this "problem".

    Technically, as I think you pointed out, he was right - the judges still score out of 10, but then the difficulty is added.

    I don't like the fact that they use five judges, so you get a lot of scores that end in .x33 and .x66. This leads to the possibility of "winning by roundoff error" - if Gymnast X has scores of 15.0, 15.0, 15.0, and 15.1, that is a total of 60.100, but if Gymnast Y has 15.0, 15.033, 15.033, and 15.033, that is a total of 60.099, and yes, they do consider X's score higher in this case. (This actually happened, with different scores, at the 2005 World Championships, where Chellsie Memmel beat Nastia Liukin by 0.001.)

    Not only did they do it again with the end of the women's all-around final, but I don't think they ever did explain why Raisman finished fourth even though her score was the same as the bronze medalist. (In fact, I have heard contradictory versions of just what the tiebreaker was - apparently, it's "highest three apparatus scores", although some sites were claiming that it was "highest total of the four execution scores" (an execution score is 10 minus the difference between actual and maximum scores). They should have been able to figure this out in advance.)
     
  5. Aug 3, 2012 #265 of 691
    LoadStar

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    They (Tim, specifically, I believe) said on the telecast that the tiebreaker was to throw out each tied contestant's lowest score. For both, I believe they said it was the vault beam they threw out.

    ETA: It's at 0:59:14 on the "NBC Replay: Women's All-Around Final" video on NBCOlympics.com:
    So it was beam, not vault.
     
  6. Aug 3, 2012 #266 of 691
    MauriAnne

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    I think part of the problem with gymnastics has to do with the editing. The commentators are describing many competitors that never make the prime time broadcast, so some things they say during those routines end up being edited out. That makes some of the things they say appear to be disjointed or without foundation.
     
  7. Aug 3, 2012 #267 of 691
    mwhip

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    I know we are a week into this but is there really not an hour long "sportscenter" or wrap up show to just show highlights?

    Also the online stuff is great in quantity but the execution is crap. I don't want a 4 hour block of swimming, at least insert bookmarks to the actual events. I don't want to search the stream for what I am looking for.
     
  8. Aug 3, 2012 #268 of 691
    dswallow

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    Dear NBC,

    If you're going to delay 3D coverage for a day because you need to have time to edit it, is there some reason you can't edit it? After all, since it's all edited and delayed by a day, you probably could package it up by competition and actually present them in some logical order, perhaps even with guide data that isn't just one 4 hour block followed by one 10 hour block with incorrect information in the description.

    And frankly as much as I hate bantering from announcers, what's up with that announcer? It's not loud enough to hear -- about half the volume of the background noises from the stadium. And generally it's not random banter but on topic announcement. I'd like to either be able to hear it or to not have it at all. Is it supposed to be on some subchannel I could control myself?

    Remember that intro by Bob Costas? The left and right images are reversed compared to all the other content; it's a bit of an annoyance, though since it's Bob Costas, and he has nothing useful to say anyway, I just fast forward through it now.

    You know how swimming occurs in lanes? I've seen coverage outside the Olympics where these fancy CGI overlays are done to indicate who is in which lane no matter the camera view; those things are cool in that they are rock-solid overlays that the camera actually appears to pan across. Sometimes they're even overlaid "under" the water as if they're in the pool, not overlaid on the video. Well, we really could use some help figuring out who we're seeing. The lane numbers were barely ever visible at all, usually obscured by a bad camera angle, and then once underway, we rarely had any idea what lane was what anymore, let alone who was in it.

    Idiots.

    Flaming stupid idiots.

    Oh, and those bumpers you run overlaying the bottom of the screen? They're actually kinda cool in 3D, but again, if you're editing it, certainly you could time that overlay so it isn't covering on-screen statistics and scores MORE THAN HALF THE TIME.

    Friggin' moronic idiots.

    Oh, and after about 6 hours of it, including fast forwarding past the events I had no interest in but (a) was forced to record and (b) weren't even promoted in the description of the 4/10 hour block, I never want to own or rent or even see "The Lorax," and I had already pre-ordered it. Running the same bumper every 10 minutes for the entire time is, well, like hitting me over the head with a stick every 10 minutes. Trust me, it will not do what you expect.

    Finally, while having the 3D coverage at all is great, maybe you could actually find more than 5 commercials to air during it. Maybe you could find a way to insert them so it doesn't look like someone randomly picks out times and just snips in the commercial breaks. Maybe you can at least not run the same commercial twice during a commercial break (Yes, I'm talking about you, Jaws -- another preorder I probably should cancel after this experience).

    In summation, you'll be lucky if I bother watching anything on your stupid channels again, ever. Best $1.2 billion you ever spent, huh?

    Idiots.
     
  9. Aug 3, 2012 #269 of 691
    murgatroyd

    murgatroyd Don't stop believin'

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    I will concede the point that there could be regional differences in sportscasting that would make people more popular with some audiences than others.

    Trautwig at least has a melodious voice, and does talk about what is going on at the time, so in that respect he's far superior to Buck. Buck has a one-note voice and just yammers away with no feeling for what event he's covering.

    Then I have to ask why a producer would put him in the booth for an event where he's not that great.
     
  10. Aug 3, 2012 #270 of 691
    murgatroyd

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    Here's the thing: I don't see why, simply because it's "entertainment" rather than "news", that means it has to be rude and stupid. Obviously if you put commercial breaks in the Parade of Nations, there are going to be some countries that don't get shown in real-time. But for the countries that do get shown, why bring the snark?

    The flip side of "understand that, in a number of sports, the Olympics are the only time a number of people watch them" is that in a number of sports, the the Olympics are the only time a number of their fans CAN watch them -- they don't get air time any other time. So here we are trying to enjoy the teeny tiny amount of coverage our sport EVER gets on TV, and we have to put up with all this ignorant crap. Not to mention the endless whining about the waste of air-time from people whose favorite sports get shown MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK during their regular season, and whose sports have ENTIRE CHANNELS dedicated to them for the Olympics.

    Jesus Christ, if you are a sailing fan, you can't watch anything AT ALL unless you have a cable sub and can stream it, so WTF is up with basketball fans bitching that they didn't see such-and-such game, or have to watch it on tape delay.
     
  11. Aug 3, 2012 #271 of 691
    aindik

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    Only if you're airing it live. If you're airing it on a 5 hour tape delay, you don't have to miss any of it for commercials. Just have Matt Lauer throw it to commercial, and then 10 seconds later say "welcome back" and keep going. Edit in the actual commercials later.
     
  12. Aug 3, 2012 #272 of 691
    Steveknj

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    I have to agree. To me, Trautwig should have been doing the road races and the marathon. During the Winter Olympics he does sports like cross country skiing and the biathlon. He's great telling a story when he's the main voice or doing a studio show.
     
  13. Aug 3, 2012 #273 of 691
    That Don Guy

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    Another one from me:

    When you show an event, show the event. Don't, for example, base your entire coverage of the women's 10km open-water swim around the athlete with the "inspirational story" without bothering to show who won. You don't have to show the whole thing; very few people mind that you show only the finish (plus highlights from earlier in the race) of the 50km walk.
     
  14. Aug 3, 2012 #274 of 691
    Steveknj

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    The thing is, on a sport like Judo or water polo, I'd imagine 95% or more of the audience doesn't know the difference. Very few people care about rule changes like that. I certainly didn't. Unless you follow a sport like judo or water polo on a regular basis, explaining that stuff is pretty meaningless. People want to know the rules as they exist now and then explain what is happening. Filling the broadcast with rule changes that make no difference to the average viewer is just wasting time. And what we want more is action, not minutia. Sure there is going to be a small part of the audience that is going to be upset they didn't explain that, but they have to broadcast tot he majority.
     
  15. Aug 3, 2012 #275 of 691
    Steveknj

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    Yeah, that is kind of crazy, unless they plan on showing the actual event later. Even so, I'm all for showing the event from start to finish (even if it's just parts of it) without jumping in and out of coverage.
     
  16. Aug 3, 2012 #276 of 691
    murgatroyd

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    If that's the case, then you don't have to take out the memorial either. It's ridiculous to me that we could trot out the flag that hung at the WTC in our Opening Ceremony for Salt Lake, and NBC showed all that with reverence, and then NBC blew off the corresponding moment in this OC for a stupid f--ing interview. What the hell were they thinking?
     
  17. Aug 3, 2012 #277 of 691
    tlrowley

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    Totally agree. I was so looking forward to the 3D coverage, I had even come to grips with the 24 hour delay, but, oh my, the coverage is just. so. fricken'. poor. I've given up :mad::mad::(
     
  18. Aug 3, 2012 #278 of 691
    murgatroyd

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    I agree that the focus should be on the rules the way they are now. On the other hand, if an issue comes up, and the outcome of the current competition would be radically different under the old rules, giving a year that the rule changed, and briefly saying what the old rule was, can put things into historical perspective.
     
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    kaszeta

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    And the constituent sub-events. I'm a little annoyed that the prime time coverage of the Men's Gymnastics never showed the rings.
     
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    murgatroyd

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    :eek:
     

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