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Local inserted commercials messed up HD TV

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by eboydog, May 2, 2014.

  1. May 2, 2014 #1 of 22

    eboydog Just TiVo'ing.....

    Mar 23, 2006
    I have a problem with my local cable company and I'm curious if others see this too with their cable providers.

    Bear with me as I'm not sure how to best describe it but basically the issue is the local cable company inserts local commercials over the top of the normal commercial breaks but they screw up the format of the inserted content and it really messes up my Tivo when I fast forward though commercials because the tv see the change in resolution and tries to adjust. As a result the whole timing gets off, the screen blanks for a moment and if I'm not careful, by the time the video signal returns, the commercials are over, the program has started and I have to rewind to catch what was skipped. This is only a problem is fast forward at the 3x speed, if I ff slower, the video adjusts but of course, it slower to skip the crappy commercials.

    The problem is the cable company inserts SD commercials into a HD feed or even the other way around were a weird format is encountered at the fastest forwarding speed.

    Is this just my local cable company doing this or does anyone else see it? It's a pain and I sometimes I wonder if they do this just to mess up the Tivo forwarding past commercials, it has gotten to the point we're I dread watching the major commercial laddin channels such as Discovery, AMC; they leave the less popular channels out of their list of channels were they replace the commercials with local ones those I find I watch more as a result but this whole thing has me mad as the primary reason I pay for Tivo is get by without watching commercials.

    While I know it's not TiVo's fault, but rather the cable company I'm frustrated that the Tivo can't handle it better and the idea that the cable company might be doing this on purpose.

    I have complained to my cable company, they don't deny the problem nor do they really say much about it one way or the other which it either on purpose or they don't understand how to properly format local inserted content so I get no were complaining to them, they are either really dumb or trying to be really clever.

  2. May 2, 2014 #2 of 22

    squint New Member

    Jun 15, 2008
    Try different video output format settings in the Tivo. Your TV may have some relevant settings too.
  3. May 2, 2014 #3 of 22

    mattack Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    Workround: use 30 second skip and you'll likely not run into the problem.

    Yes, I'm mostly joking, but I'm one of those for whom I can get through commercial breaks much faster with 30 second skip (plus a few 8 second backs when I wham it too many times) than 3FF
  4. May 2, 2014 #4 of 22

    eboydog Just TiVo'ing.....

    Mar 23, 2006
    That's the only thing that gets by with this is using the 30 second skip but I'm creature of habit and have used the fast forward for many years and it irritates me as before this you could figure out the timing and it play at the right time until this started happening.

    It doesn't matter the output of the Tivo unless you drop to forced 720i which defeats that whole "HD" idea..... :) most of the time it's SD commercial in a HD program. The part that makes me upset the most is sometimes I forced to watch a commercial (a local one at that!)

    And I know explaining it to my cable company is going to get no were, " you are forcing me to watch commercials" complaint isn't something they really care to fix.
  5. May 2, 2014 #5 of 22

    lgnad Pantless Mofo

    Feb 14, 2013
    So, the feed actually changes from an 1080i or 720p to a 480i? wow, you have a crappy cable company!

    Why cant you just have 720 and up enabled?
  6. May 2, 2014 #6 of 22

    rainwater Active Member

    Sep 21, 2004
    I've seen this with Charter and Time Warner Cable over the years (probably 3 or 4 times on each). For me, it has been a very rare occurrence but it is annoying when it happens.
  7. May 2, 2014 #7 of 22

    eboydog Just TiVo'ing.....

    Mar 23, 2006
    Here you go, an example right now, Im watching Speed right now on AMCHD, which is at 1920x1080i @60hz, when a the local commercial breaks in on top of the national commercial, it suddenly switches to 1280 x720 @60hz when as soon as the local commercial is over it goes back to 1080i. My TV senses the mode change and there is a brief blank out until it adjusts regardless of fast forwarding or not. It's just that by fastest - fast forward, the resolution changes too quickly too many times which why the gets so far off.

    Formats I have enabled are 720p, 1080i, 1080p (60fps) and 1080p pass thru. Only one I don't have enabled is 480p and per my video output format screen, 480i isn't supported.
  8. May 2, 2014 #8 of 22

    moyekj Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2006
    Cox has done that for years here, though usually it's 1080i <-> 720p change. VideoRedo doesn't like that and needs the QS Fix video dimension filter turned on to handle it. I have Roamio set to 1080p/60 output only (and 1080p/24 pass through for Netflix & Amazon) now which most of the time works except sometimes with 3x FF the resolution will change and my TV will react to it for a couple of seconds. As Dan203 described in another thread, 1080p/60 is a pretty good single fixed output to choose as it preserves 60 fps for 720p and prevents having the TV have to do further scaling to 1080p/60 itself.
  9. May 3, 2014 #9 of 22

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

    May 1, 2006
    Dallas, TX
    Could there be a setting on the TV where you specify not to have the TV try and change resolutions? Let the Tivo do the scaling.
  10. javabird

    javabird Active Member

    Oct 12, 2006
    Have you tried changing the Tivo settings to force everything to display at a Fixed setting instead of Native, e.g., 1080i or 720p?
  11. Colbyt

    Colbyt Member

    Jul 6, 2006
    All cable companies do it. Those inserts are how they make money on the cable channels.

    I agree with locking either the TV or the Tivo and allow only one device to scale the image.
  12. JosephB

    JosephB Member

    Nov 19, 2010
    Birmingham, AL
    Locally my Charter system's local insertion ads don't force resolution changes.
  13. tomhorsley

    tomhorsley Well-Known Member

    Jul 22, 2010
    I've never noticed a problem with playing on the TiVo, but sometimes the things the cable company does wreaks havoc on my attempts to save a recording and strip out the commercials. Audio sync problems often abound.
  14. WO312

    WO312 Active Member

    Jan 24, 2003
    I have my Tivo set at fixed 1080i and never see this behavior.
  15. eboydog

    eboydog Just TiVo'ing.....

    Mar 23, 2006
    I have tried 1080i only but it doesn't matter, this TV (and others I my house) still are effected, when 720 scaled content is injected, the tvs change format..
  16. HerronScott

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

    Jan 1, 2002
    Staunton, VA
    You are setting this on the TiVo side (1080i Fixed which is under Video Output Format on my S3 OLED)?

  17. eboydog

    eboydog Just TiVo'ing.....

    Mar 23, 2006
  18. squint

    squint New Member

    Jun 15, 2008
    I just checked my Tivo HD and I'm on 1080i fixed. My TV is a fairly old Samsung and I've never experienced this problem. VideoRedo has detected changing video sizes during commercials in the past.

    If the Tivo is truly outputting 1080i all the time then the TV shouldn't change modes...
  19. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

    Sep 21, 2004
    Very few insert ads in the wrong format. If they do, then it is generally a bug in their system. The commercials are suppose to respect that network's format.
  20. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    Feb 5, 2011
    Cox Cable...
    I have this issue with some local rebroadcast channels, on three base Roamios, using HDMI-out (the only choice I have).

    The CW stands-out as being the most problematic.

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