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List of SATA to PATA (IDE) adapters, please add yours

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by ciper, Jan 21, 2009.

  1. unitron

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    So the label on the older one says nothing about advanced format, but on the newer one it does?

    Is there an option on either drive or both to jumper down from 3Gb/s to 1.5?

    Have you tried them at 1.5?


    The actual link is one "t" shorter than you would think.

    http://discountechnology.com/

    ETA: And a quick look at the site reveals not much at all in the way of discounts.
     
  2. sc293

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    Correct - the label on the older disk says nothing about advanced format. As soon as I saw that on the label on the newer disk - I started to get concerned.

    I don't believe that there's an option to jumper them down to 1.5. Since the older disk worked out of the box (or out of the computer as the case may be) I didn't do anything special to it. I'll take a closer look at the newer drive when I get home tonight, but as far as I can recall the only jumper option was for pins 7 and 8 for the advanced format for XP with one partition.

    If I can find a way to go down to 1.5 on the newer drive I'll try it. (Since the older drive works I'm going to leave it the way it is.) A couple of weeks ago I did try a Maxtor drive that I borrow from a friend that was 6 Gb/s. (I didn't realize it was 6 until I actually got the disk.) Needless to say (as expected) 6 GB/s does not work with a Series 1 :)
     
  3. lillevig

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    Actually had one of the highly recommended WowParts adapters go bad. It came on a TCD240 box and was attached to an older (pre-green) WD3200 AV media drive (sorry, I forget to copy down all the info). Verfied the drive was ok using the WD long test and replaced the adapter with exactly the same model. Works great. In an earlier post I had listed success on an S2DT box using the WowParts adapter and an old WD 250GB Caviar drive. I tried that same combination on a TCD240 box and it would not boot. I should mention that the 250GB drive is speced as needing significantly more current than the usual Tivo drives and I read (I think on WeaKnees) that the power supplies on those S2 boxes are a bit weak compared to other Tivo models.
     
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  5. unitron

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    Apparently we need a constitutional amendment to force the drive makers to be upfront about which drives use which sector size.

    Although, as I understand it, 4K sectors are only needed to exceed the 2TB barrier, so they never should have used it on anything 2TB or smaller.
     
  6. SouthTivo

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    Did it work?: Yes
    TiVo Model: DirecTivo R10
    Hard drive model: Hitachi Deskstar 500GB
    Adapter retail name: Kingwin ADP-06
    Purchased from / Price: Microcenter / $9
    Chipset on the adapter: no idea
    Yes I know this Kingwin is not supposed to work but it did. Fooled me into thinking it was a good product. See below.

    Did it work?: YES!!
    TiVo Model: DirecTivo SDDVR-40
    Hard drive model: Seagate Pipeline ST31000322CS 1TB
    Adapter retail name: Generic WOWParts LK-13415
    Purchased from / Price: eBay/$5
    Chipset on the adapter: LK-13415
    After much trial and error, it finally worked when the MFScopy was made with the IDE-SATA adapter in place and swap set to 256.

    Did it work?: Yes
    TiVo Model: DirecTivo R10
    Hard drive model: WD 320 Green
    Adapter retail name: Weaknees
    Purchased from / Price: Weaknees / $17
    Chipset on the adapter: No idea
    Worked fine; used their IDE cable as well.
     
  7. unitron

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    The Kingwin apparently uses a Genesys Logic chipset.

    You may be the only Kingwin success story so far.

    The Weaknees adapter uses the JMicron chipset, which works with S2s but not S1s (they have to have a Marvell), and the JMicron is, or at least has been so far, the one in the wowparts adapter.

    Are you sure that second machine isn't an Hughes SD DVR40?

    Or maybe an RCA DVR40?
     
  8. SouthTivo

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    Right you are, it's the SD-DVR40. Many years since it was running the stock 40GB drive. The current upgrade will be from a Seagate 250GB to the Pipeline 1TB.

    The Kingwin is such a freak thing. It just worked for that R10 and has stayed working for about 9 months. I have no explanation. But I am going to pull the lid and get the exact drive model number.
     
  9. unitron

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    Did that original 40 have 2 MFS pairs before upgrading to the 250?

    So that the 250 has 3 MFS pairs, for a total of 15 partitions?

    If so, you won't, I'm pretty sure, be able to upgrade from the 250 to the 1TB and expand to use all of it if you're trying to save any recorded shows, because you can't add another pair of MFS partitions, since 16 is the limit.

    If you do a truncated backup of the 250 to the 1TB, it should work okay, you'll just lose any shows.

    Not sure if they'll still show up in the Now Playing list or not, but they won't actually be there.

    Now if the 40 only had one MFS pair, and the 250 only has 2 pair, you're good to go.
     
  10. SouthTivo

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    The original drive was upgraded to an 80GB, then to the 250, and now to the 1TB. Here's the partition map after cloning the 250 to the 1TB and doing an MFSAdd.
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    Partition Maps
     #:                  type name                            length base      ( size  )
      1   Apple_partition_map Apple                               63@1         (  31.5K)
      2                 Image Bootstrap 1                       4096@77261888  (   2.0M)
      3                 Image Kernel 1                          4096@77265984  (   2.0M)
      4                  Ext2 Root 1                          262144@77270080  ( 128.0M)
      5                 Image Bootstrap 2                       4096@77532224  (   2.0M)
      6                 Image Kernel 2                          4096@77536320  (   2.0M)
      7                  Ext2 Root 2                          262144@77540416  ( 128.0M)
      8                  Swap Linux swap                     1024000@77802560  ( 500.0M)
      9                  Ext2 /var                            262144@78826560  ( 128.0M)
     10                   MFS MFS application region         1048576@79088704  ( 512.0M)
     11                   MFS MFS media region              33100800@44161088  (  15.8G)
     12                   MFS MFS application region 2       1048576@80137280  ( 512.0M)
     13                   MFS MFS media region 2            44161024@64        (  21.1G)
     14                   MFS MFS App by Winmfs                 1024@81185856  ( 512.0K)
     15                   MFS MFS Expanded by Winmfs      1872332800@81186880  ( 892.8G)
    
    For the sake of everyone else, this is kind of beyond the topic. I will drag my troubles to a more appropriate thread. :D

    One note: I was able to clone the same 250 about a year ago and it worked fine initially. The target drive was a 500GB. The only issue was that the new drive failed after about a month. Basically I am trying the same thing again with the same source drive and a new target drive. Anyway, thanks for the comments!
     
  11. unitron

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    Did you lose the recorded shows each time you upgraded?
     
  12. lillevig

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    I just made a WinMFS image of the original 80GB drive from an R10 if you ever want to start fresh instead of cloning from a larger drive that already has added media partitions.
     
  13. SouthTivo

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    No. It was always copy + expand to use the new capacity.
     
  14. unitron

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    Was it done with WinMFS each time, or were earlier times done with the MFS Live cd or MFS Tools?
     
  15. SouthTivo

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    Always MFSLive CD up until now. Not against trying it again. Would that make a difference?
     
  16. unitron

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    I'm just trying to figure out how you managed so many upgrades without hitting the 16 partition (or 3 MFS pair) limit.

    From that partition map it appears you had 2 MFS pairs on the original 40, so you must have somehow not expanded when you went to the 80 and the 250, and then WinMFS added the third pair going onto the 1TB, or else you didn't expand going to the 80, you did expand going to the 250 (which would have added partitions 14 and 15), and then WinMFS, instead of trying to expand by adding another pair, took 14 and 15 and made them bigger, or actually made 15 bigger.

    Only I'm not sure if it can do that. If it can, it's not specifically documented.

    Any chance that 250 is still unchanged and you can get the partition map of of it and post it for comparison?

    With MFS Live, if you expanded going onto the 80, that should have been the end of your ability to do so.

    We may be wandering off-topic a bit here, but as I see it, anybody looking for an adapter wants it so they can use a bigger drive, so information about expansion is relevant.
     
  17. CrashHD

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    I recently had a chance to test it in a dual drive config. Failed to boot with two EIDE drives on a cable. One was an SATA with this converter, the other was a regular EIDE drive. Tried it both ways (jumper on/off), and in a tivo and a PC. Tivo never booted, PC hung at bios drive detection.

    Yes, I believe it was able to utilize the full 2TB. It has about 800 hours SD on it right now, continuing to fill as fast as it can, no problems yet (been running a week now)
     
  18. unitron

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    Did you try it both ways, SATA as master, PATA as slave, then PATA as master, SATA as slave?
     
  19. CrashHD

    CrashHD I am the me.

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    No. I was recovering a dual drive setup.

    I used dd_rescue to copy a failing drive from a 750GB PATA drive to a 750GB SATA drive. In this instance, the SATA drive was /dev/hda and the pata /dev/hdb.
    From a hardware standpoint, it may have been worth trying the other way around, but from a software standpoint, the tivo would never have booted that way.

    There's not really reason to futz with dual drive setups anymore, anyway, with 2tb drives being enough to max out a tivo, and so plentifully available at that.
     
  20. unitron

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    Well, you can run twin 1TBs in an S1 or S2 more easily than you can get them to work with a single 2TB.

    But wouldn't that be cool, a dual tuner S2 with twin 2TBs?

    I was thinking about swapping those drives while hooked to the PC to see if that made a difference in BIOS detection to possibly gain a clue as to what's going on.
     

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