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List of SATA to PATA (IDE) adapters, please add yours

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by ciper, Jan 21, 2009.

  1. Sep 3, 2011 #141 of 233
    lillevig

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    Since I have a couple of 250GB SATA drives just sitting around I went ahead and ordered the JMicron adapter you specified in an earlier post. I'm willing to spend another $5.99 to try it out before looking for an IDE drive.
     
  2. cbear429

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    Did it work?: Yes NO
    TiVo Model: Hughes SD-DVR80
    Hard drive model:750GB Western Digital Caviar Black WD7502AAEX
    Adapter retail name: Manhattan 158282
    Purchased from / Price: HD from Newegg $58.99, adapter from Micro Center $21.99
    Chipset on the adapter:Marvell 88SA8052-NNC2

    After a few weeks, when I'd go to play a recording it would give me an error and say unavailable. I tried many ways to set up the drive and it would always fail the same. Installed an old 120GB drive and it's been rock solid.

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    Not the cleanest upgrade I've done, but it's working. At first I bought the Koutech IO-ASA110 IDE to SATA Device Adapter from Newegg, and copied my original shelved Tivo HD to the 750GB WD. That worked fine, MFSLive said AAM wasn't available for the 750GB HD. When I went to put the drive in the Tivo, the Koutech would not fit in the SD-DVR-80. It turns out the 'motherboard' IDE connector in the Tivo is an all pin connector, and the Koutech had pin 20 deleted. Also I'm not sure I could have gotten the cover back on with the koutech sticking up vertically. I went to Micro center to get another adapter, and was handed the Kingwin ADP-06. After I got home I double checked here, and it didn't look like anyone had success with it. I returned it and bought the Manhattan 158282 after checking the chipset in the store. This appears to be identical to the Addonics ADSAIDE, but the wife wouldn't wait for another UPS delivery. When I tried to put the Tivo back together, there was no power. The unit just made a pulsing sound and the fan just twitched with the pulses. I think the power supply went. I may have shorted out the pins on the back for the IDE adapter against the HD when putting the lid back on. Luckily I had a donor HDVR2 I robbed the power supply out of. I added foam tape to the back of the adapter, swapped power supplies, and fired it up. All is good, except now I'm retrograded to SW 3.1.1. I now have 661 hours. It previously was running dual 120GB drives, with about 204 hours. These lasted about 5 1/2 years before flaking out. The odd thing is diagnostics afterwards says the drives are fine. I was getting audio drops, video freezing and reboots.
     
  3. unitron

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    So you got the Koutech that plugs into a motherboard IDE header instead of the one that plugs into the back of the SATA drive?

    I don't know if that one also uses the Marvell chipset or not.
     
  4. cbear429

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    Correct, I basiclly ordered the wrong one. It worked fine to setup the HD in the PC, but it won't plug in to the IDE socket in the Tivo.
     
  5. unitron

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    If I were going to go with a plug it into the motherboard adapter, I think I'd try one of the ones that can handle 2 SATA drives at once (as master and slave).

    One of these days when I'm overburdened with both free time and money, I'm going to do that experiment.:D
     
  6. lillevig

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    So far so good with the approved adapter and the same 250 GB drive as before. Initially I did a stress test over three days where I scheduled lots of variations of single and double records. No problems then and no problems since just doing a normal level of recording.
     
  7. Oct 6, 2011 #147 of 233
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    Did it work?: Yes
    TiVo Model: TCD540040
    Hard drive model: 1TB Western Digital WD10EARS
    Adapter retail name: SATA to PATA/IDE Hard Drive Interface Adapter
    Purchased from / Price: Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002Y2NI4M
    Chipset on the adapter: JM20330

    After some help from unitron, got it working.

    Both adapters are almost identical except for the power connector housing on one is black and the other is white. When powering up the TiVo, I get stuck on the initial loading screen indefinitely. With the cover on the TiVo taken off, I can see that the green light comes on on the adapter for 5-10 seconds then the red light comes on indefinitely. For setting up my 1TB drive, I tried both doing a backup of the original 40GB drive to a file on my computer and restoring that to it, as well as a direct copy from drive-to-drive, both using winmfs. I've used winmfs in the past for several TivoHD units with zero problems. I also tried with the jumper both on and off to no avail (no mention of wtf it does that I could find anywhere). No jumper settings on the WD10EARS either.

    Any suggestions? Kind of feel stuck now. Should I order a different adapter in the hopes that it is the adapter? I haven't seen the mention of the WD10EARS here anywhere, I bought it because it's inexpensive and reliable based on my experience with upgrading TivoHD units with it (maybe I made a bad assumption there :().


    Thanks!--
     
  8. Oct 6, 2011 #148 of 233
    unitron

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    It's hard, o.k., make that technically impossible, to know exactly what you're getting with these adapters, or if it'll be the same next week as it was last week.

    The Amazon link shows the front of one model, no master/slave/cableselect jumper header, but apparently the solder pads for it (which may or may not actually connect to anything on this particular one), and it shows the back of a different model that does have a jumper header.

    While I was writing this, I went from the Amazon link, which showed the seller as Importer520, to the customer reviews, and then back to the original page, by which time the seller had been changed to Gamesalor International limited.

    Did yours come with the 3M foam tape? Was it already stuck on?


    I've got what I'm pretty sure is the same model adapter as the Partsdom one from eBay. It works in a Series 2 with a 1TB drive. The jumper header in the lower right hand corner should have a jumper on it for single drive operation in the TiVo.



    While you've got the drive out, use wdidle3 to disable intellipark on the drive.

    This will prevent a possible problem with warm boot failure in the future after you've already sealed the drive up in the TiVo.



    As for your problem:

    On the drive itself there should be a jumper block to the right of the power and data connectors, and putting a jumper across pins 5 and 6 should disable autonegotiation, which I don't know if the 540 can do, and "hardwire" the drive for 1.5Gb/s, which is plenty fast for the TiVo.

    Check the drive's documentation to be sure those are the right pins to jumper.


    It may also have a pins 7 and 8 setting to force it to pretend to have 512 byte sectors instead of the 4K "advanced format" ones it actually does have. (I'm pretty sure this is a 4K drive, the 20EARS is). I don't know if that would make any difference or not, but you'd have to set it for 512 emulation and then do the copying and expanding.


    I'm thinking it's likely that whole SATA I vs. SATA II (1.5 vs.3) thing, but, the 540's power supply isn't famous for having lots of extra in reserve, and it and its capacitors have some age by now, so if the SATA mode limit jumper doesn't do the trick, we can maybe see if the power supply is marginal by leaving it to run the TiVo while powering the drive separately.



    Being careful not to set up a possible electrocution scenario, power the drive from a separate source, like a computer power supply, then plug in the TiVo. Best to do the plugging at the wall socket rather than the back of the TiVo (which really shouldn't be moving around during this cover off, jury-rigged drive power experiment), or better yet, use an outlet strip with a switch placed where you can shut it off in an eyeblink.



    If it turns out to be a power supply problem, we'll teach you how to look for "capacitor disease".
     
  9. Oct 6, 2011 #149 of 233
    DefaultLocation

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    Big thanks unitron for the advice. Neither of my adapters came with any 3M foam tape.

    I jumpered 5/6 and 7/8 and am running winmfs->mfscopy again. Will try that out and see if that fixes it. If not, will try the external power supply.

    Haven't run DOS in ages, dunno if I can just boot up into command-line mode (I'm running Win7x64) to run wdidle3. If not, should be easy enough to make a boot CD I guess.

    Thanks again, will report back soon
     
  10. Oct 6, 2011 #150 of 233
    unitron

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    Link to boot cd with wdidle3 contained in this post:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=7652412#post7652412
     
  11. Oct 6, 2011 #151 of 233
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    Awesome, thanks [again] unitron!

    In the meantime before I got to the boot CD, I tried out the drive with the jumpers, re-doing the mfscopy, and using an external power supply, but had very spotty results. It failed to boot again at first, then worked once, then failed again, then worked once again, then I somehow got into a state where I couldn't get it working at all. :(

    So after some refreshing my old brain on DOS, IDE, and my mobo settings (I like to think I'm not a PC noob), I was able to run the boot CD and wdidle3 and turn off intellipark, which seems like it did the trick. I got it to consistently boot up without using an external power supply, huzzah. I ran through a few more cold boots to be sure and all seemed well, so I think I'm all set now.

    Again, huge thanks unitron, you saved me a lot of time and headache. :D
     
  12. Oct 7, 2011 #152 of 233
    unitron

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    Once things have settled down and you feel you can declare success, go back and edit your first post (add rather than change) to indicate with which drive and which adapter you had success in which TiVo, which is the purpose of this thread.

    A lot of what I know, I learned by searching and reading this site, and recommend that others do so.
     
  13. unitron

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    And I think you are woefully misinformed.

    Do you even own a TiVo?

    Have you ever seen the inside of one?
     
  14. Feb 5, 2012 #154 of 233
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    worked.

    Bought off ebay. $4.69
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    WD AV EUR10
    I do not know the chipset and do not care.

    search on ebay for -

    PATA IDE TO SATA Adapter Converter Card F 3.5" HDD DVD
     
  16. Mar 1, 2012 #156 of 233
    unitron

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    If you'd gotten one with one of the chipsets that don't work in TiVos, you'd care.

    Which is kind of the point of this thread.

    But thanks for the datapoint about that drive working in that model TiVo with what is almost certainly a JMicron chipset adapter (the ones with Marvell chips aren't that cheap).
     
  17. Mar 1, 2012 #157 of 233
    unitron

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    Don't know how I missed seeing this when you posted, but, yes, it most likely works on S1s, and if it doesn't, it's not the fault of the chipset, but something else about the board.

    I was going to say I think the

    Rosewill RC-A-SATA-IDE

    from newegg is a little cheaper and known to work, but it looks like they're out of stock again, which means they don't show the price.
     
  18. sc293

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    Did it work?: Yes
    TiVo Model: Series 1 HDR212 w/Lifetime (with TurboNet cache card)
    Hard drive model: WD10EADS (manufactured October 2009)
    Adapter retail name: Addonics ADST1062-00B
    Purchased from NewEgg.com around $26.00 including shipping.

    Did it work?: No
    TiVo Model: Series 1 HDR212 w/Lifetime (with TurboNet cache card)
    Hard drive model: WD10EADS (manufactured October 2010)
    Adapter retail name: Addonics ADST1062-00B
    Purchased from NewEgg.com around $26.00 including shipping.

    Same Tivo Series 1 unit and same Sata to IDE adapter in both tests. The 1 TB drive that worked (manufactured in Oct 2009) came out off a computer we have (I was originally trying this as a test to make sure the adapter worked).

    The 1 TB drive that doesn't work (manufactured in Oct. 2010) is an advanced format drive. I didn't realize that when I bought it since I was focusing on the model number - and was happy to find a model number that I knew worked. Or at least I thought I knew worked. I downloaded wdidle3 and disabled intellipark, but that didn't make any difference. When I power on Tivo it gets to the initial "your recorder is powering up" screen, then it flickers like it's hitting the disk and trying to boot, but then it goes back to the "your recorder is powering up" screen. It then repeats this over and over.

    I tried jumpering pins 7 and 8 for the advanced formatting, but then it seemed like Tivo didn't even hit the disk or attempt to boot. I didn't download the Western Digital advanced format utility software (On WD's website under /advformat) since I couldn't figure out how to use it for a Tivo disk.

    At this point has anyone successfully bought a disk recently (IDE or Sata) that will work in a Series 1 Tivo? If I'm having this much trouble finding disks now I can only imagine how bad it will be in another couple of years.
     
  19. unitron

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    Well, that's scary, I thought I could rely on the EADS models to be 512 byte sector drives, and only had to worry about the EACS and EARS ones.

    If you happen to have 2 Marvell chipset based adapters, an interesting experiment would be to try the older drive as the TiVo's A drive and the newer one as its B drive.

    Have you tried jumpering the newer drive and then imaging it?

    Also, just because you bought it new doesn't mean you shouldn't run WD's long test on it before putting it into service.

    How long ago did you buy that newer EADS, and from where?
     
  20. sc293

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    Unitron:

    I only have one adapter so I can't try that out, althought it would be an interesting test to see if the newer drive would work as the B drive.

    I did try jumpering the newer drive. I'm using a truncated backup from the current (2) 160 GB IDE disks. I'm using mfsrestore to restore that onto each 1 TB drive. I'm using the same options for each test to keep everything consistent.

    My first attempt with the newer drive was when it was straight out of the box. When Tivo wouldn't boot up with that, I tried jumpering pins 7 and 8 on the disk, and re-did the mfsrestore. Tivo still wouldn't boot up, and it was like it didn't even attempt to access the disk. (No flickering, it just sat at the initial screen.) The final attempt was to run wdidle3 /d on the newer disk, and re-do the mfsrestore again. When I put the disk into Tivo it at least tried hitting the disk (screen flickered like it was trying to get to the 2nd screen before it went back to the initial screen).

    I bought the newer EADs disk a couple of weeks ago from DiscountTechnology.com. I don't have enought posts to post a link yet, but I can PM you a link to it if you'd like. I searched for 1 TB EADs drives, and they had 30 (as of a couple of weeks ago) that were considered "new pull". If this had worked I was thinking about getting another one to have on hand since it's getting harder to find disks that work in a Series 1.

    As an aside I had also bought 2 used Seagate db35.2 IDE drives (160 GB) that I found fairly cheap. One was DOA and the other acted really flaky in Tivo. I'd expect that it would be hard to find IDE drives now, but I'm starting to think that I'm not going to be able to find Sata drives that work in a Series 1 now either.
     

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