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List of SATA to PATA (IDE) adapters, please add yours

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by ciper, Jan 21, 2009.

  1. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    If that's a Series 2 TiVo you've got a limit of about 1 or 1.2 TB per drive, but since it's an IDE (PATA) controller you should be able to use 2 drives.

    You'll need an adapter for each if both are SATA, and if they're bigger than 500GB or a handful of 640GB or 750GB models, then they will be SATA.

    You'll also need an IDE cable with connectors for both drives and the motherboard, long enough to reach everything, and mounting brackets for both drives. Do your homework before spending money.

    Search other threads at this site for further info.

    LBA48 and the adapters do not directly have anything to do with each other.

    If you use a drive that exceeds the LBA28 limit (127 or 137 or something like that GB, depending on whether you're talking decimal or binary GB), which would mean in retail reality one bigger than 120GB (next size up is usually 160), then you need a kernel that can work with the larger drives, which, as far as I know, all of the Series 2s have. The Series 1s need to be patched. (search for "copykern")

    So, it's drive size that matters LBA48-wise, not whether the drive is SATA or PATA/IDE.

    I mention elsewhere where that adapter is available directly (no eBay) from the same company using different names (wowparts, etc.)
     
  2. mmoustakas

    mmoustakas geek dad

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    Did it work?: Yes (for one drive, not for two)
    TiVo Model: TCD240040
    Hard drive model: Western Digital 1 TB Caviar Green SATA Intellipower 64 MB Cache Bulk/OEM Desktop Hard Drive WD10EARS
    Adapter retail name: Weaknees adapter
    Purchased from / Price: Weaknees $17
    Chipset on the adapter: JM20325

    I had originally tried to add two 1TB drives, and while it would boot up, it crashed/rebooted after about 2 minutes after getting to the menus. One drive with this adapter seems to be good (I left the master jumper in place on the adapter).
     
  3. unitron

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    For the benefit of future searchers I'm going to point out that if you go back to mmoustakas's first post

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8414341#post8414341

    in the other thread and read from there, you can see that there are other things going on independent of the SATA and adapter question that could be the source of his problem, so it's not guaranteed that 2 drives and 2 adapters will not work in the TCD240040.
     
  4. unitron

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    Cold comfort at this late date, but it turns out (and I put it here for future readers) that Caviar Blue drives, both PATA and SATA, just don't work in Series 1s, although they seem to be fine in S2s.

    If that's a Marvell chipset on that adapter, it should work in an S1 with the right drive.
     
  5. MikeAndrews

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    I think you're limited to 1.2TB on a Series 2, so you can install a 1.5TB drive and get the 1.2TB. Better that you stick with your 1TB unless a 1.5TB is cheaper.

    My Series 2 has a 500GB drive which gives so much space it's ridiculous. Keeping in mind that SD content is just over 1GB/hour, do you really need 1000+ hours? I'd make the same choice now, for a 1TB or 1.5TB based on price alone.

    (For an HD TiVo it's 5-6GB/hour which why a 1.5(1.2)TB or 2TB drives that makes up 200-3nn hours HD makes sense.)
     
  6. wetchemistry

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    Did it work?: Yes
    TiVo Model: Philips DSR704
    Hard drive model:2TB Seagate ST320005N4A1AS-RK
    Adapter retail name:Model: LK-13415
    Purchased from / Price: wowparts.com $5.99
    Chipset on the adapter:Jmicron 20330 controller
     
  7. unitron

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    Are you able to use all 2 Terrabytes on that thing?

    What software did you use?
     
  8. wetchemistry

    wetchemistry New Member

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    Nope, but I knew that going in. It's what I had laying around. I ordered another 500gb sata drive that I will put in the DSR704 permanently, until that arrives the kids can still watch TV in the basement.
     
  9. unitron

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    As of April 21, 2011, Amazon has the Avolusion IDESATAADP, the equivalent of the partsdom/wowparts/Neoteric/NSIOutlet LK-13415 JM20330 chipset adapter for less, $1.95 + $2.10 shipping. They may have had it before now, I just happened to notice it today.

    http://www.amazon.com/Avolusion-SAT...ref=sr_1_7?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1303370927&sr=1-7

    I bought one of these last Dec. At the time they said it was the only one in stock. Looks like they got more.

    It's basically the same as the LK-13415. I've got 2 of them in one TCD649080 and the one Avolusion in another of the same model Tivo, 1TB Caviar Black WD1001FALS hanging off of all 3, and can't tell any difference in performance.

    Since they aren't a Marvell chipset, don't expect to use them in the ultra-finicky Series 1.
     
  10. stern_howie

    stern_howie New Member

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    Did it work?: Yes
    TiVo Model: Tivo 540xxxxx
    Hard drive model:1TB WDBAAZ0010HNC-NRSN
    Adapter retail name:Model: LK-13415
    Purchased from / Price: wowparts.com $5.99
    Chipset on the adapter:Jmicron 20330 controller

    I installed in 2 S2 540's no problem.
     
  11. unitron

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    I'm pretty sure that's the model number on the box that the hard drive came in. Did you happen to note the actual model number on the label on top of the drive?

    Western Digital seems to have started changing the actual model of drive they put inside retail, or semi-retail, boxes, without changing the model number of the box itself.

    Did you buy the drive from Best Buy? In store or online?
     
  12. ajlasdf

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    Did it work?: Yes
    TiVo Model: TCD649080
    Hard drive model: WD10EVDS (1TB)
    Adapter retail name: Adapter Model: Koutech IO-ASA120
    Purchased from / Price: newegg / $17.99

    See my other thread for more detail:
    www^tivocommunity^com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=472709
     
  13. CrashHD

    CrashHD I am the me.

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    Did it work?: Yes
    TiVo Model: RCA-DVR40
    Hard drive model: WD20EURS (2TB)
    Adapter retail name: no name
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002Y2NI4M $3.83

    I bought one from weaknees, to be sure it would work.
    I bought two of these from amazon. They are *Exactly* the same. JM20330 chip.
     
  14. dwit

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    What recording capacity shows in your "System Info" for this drive?

    Thanks.
     
  15. unitron

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    Judging by the illustrations the ones from Amazon differ from the Weaknees product in at least the lack of a Master/Slave jumper, which makes me wonder if they can be used in a 2 drive setup.

    Are you able to use all 2TB, and if so, how?
     
  16. CrashHD

    CrashHD I am the me.

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    Then the image is incorrect, at least in my case. Mine are identical, right down to the lone jumper on the board (and the complete lack of any documentation for the purpose of that jumper(presumably, jumper closed=master?))

    I was able to use all 2TB by starting from a drive image that has only a single mfs partition pair, and by manually creating additional MFS partitions with MFSLive, in order to keep the partition size under 1TB max. If you want to know more, PM me, I don't want to take this thread off topic.

    It shows 0 hours. It's a DirecTV unit. I've got a dual drive, 2x750GB unit that I've run for years...also shows 0 hours on the system info screen.
     
  17. Aug 7, 2011 #137 of 233
    lillevig

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    Here is my latest successful experiment with IDE to SATA:

    Tivo model: 649080 (Series 2 dual-tuner)
    Hard drive: Western Digital WD2500JS Caviar SE 250GB SATA (had this as a spare after upgrading my computer)
    Adapter/chipset: Unknown (got it off of eBay from jinbostore, listing title "PATA IDE TO SATA Adapter Converter Card 3.5 HDD #9757")

    Used WIN7 64-bit OS running WINMFS and an external SATA to USB cable to image the drive.
     
  18. Aug 7, 2011 #138 of 233
    unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    eBay listings die from old age, but apparently what you got, adapter-wise, is JMicron chipset based and is the same, or thereabouts, as the partsdomauction/wowparts/nsi outlet one, LK-13415 (or 863 or WLXKJ--863B), except maybe for the lack of a Master/Slave jumper.
     
  19. Sep 3, 2011 #139 of 233
    lillevig

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    Turns out that this setup is not working as well as I thought. It occasionally either truncates or splits a recording into two parts with a 5 minute gap. From reading this forum, it sounds like a Tivo reset is happening. I put the original 80GB IDE drive back in and the problem went away. It took a couple of strong magnifying glasses (I'm old) but the chipset on my generic adapter is by SunPlus. I see that at least one other poster has had problems with that chipset.
     
  20. Sep 3, 2011 #140 of 233
    unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    eBay listings also aren't always completely accurate, including the pictures, so when I said your's was apparently a JMicron chipset it would seem that I was misled by the listing.

    You need an adapter where the seller actually specifies that it uses the JMicron or the Marvell chipset.
     

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