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Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by ciper, Jan 21, 2009.
Can anyone comment on reliability/longevity of these adapters?
I am confused why so many don't work. Aren't both specs kinda standard - aka what flags would make them not translate data properly? Or is it something to do with Tivo's implementation?
TiVo Model: TCD649080 DT
Hard drive model: Western Digital 1 TB SATA2 7200rpm 32MB Hard Drive WD10EALS (Caviar Blue)
Adapter retail name: SATA to PATA/IDE Hard Drive Interface Adapter
Purchased from / Price:
HDD = $78.80 Free Shipping Amazon
Adapter = $6.87 + $4.07 Expedited Shipping Amazon
Chipset on the adapter: Posted this after I installed it. Can't find it on the internet sorry!
Did it work?: YES Flawlessly!
Hope this helps someone
has anyone tried a SIIG SC-SA0512-S1 ?
will it work with a series 2?
Did it work?: No.
TiVo Model: Hughes SD-DVR40
Hard drive model: Western Digital WD6400AAKS
Adapter retail name: None (back says HXSP-071218)
Purchased from / Price: E-bay (don't remember seller) ~$6.00 shipped
Chipset on the adapter: Sunplus SPIF223A
Another member reported this chipset working, but we may have had different adapters.
To others whose adapters did not work: Did the adapter work with your drive outside of your Tivo? I was able to access the drive from my computer after connecting it to the adapter, and then connecting the adapter to a USB-to-IDE/SATA cable. But when I put the drive/adapter in my Tivo, I never got past the "Welcome. Powering Up" screen. So the adapter works, just not in the Tivo.
Thanks in advance!
I asked about this in a post in the Upgrade Forum too...
Do you think a 1TB WD "Green" drive will work in an S2 DTivo with (first) the Intellipark feature disabled via utility? This entry in this topic (750GB WD "green drive + utility) would suggest "yes".
I scored a couple of used Rosewill SC-203 known-to-work SATA (drive) to PATA (controller) adapters used on eBay, now I am cruising for a 1TB drive.
Amazon had them on sale 3 or 4 weeks ago. I got two.
The chipset is the JM20330
It doesn't seem to work on Series 1s.
If I make a SATA drive with one of these the slave drive I get the welcome screen that's on the motherboard and then the "Just a few more moments" screen that's on the master drive, and then it reboots.
When I get a good Series 2 SA DT image (I thought I had a good backup. I was mistaken), I'll let everyone know if it works on one of those.
The above posted 11/11/2010
Preliminary addendum to preliminary report. 11/14/2010
The SIIG SC-SA0512-S1 seems to work in a TCD649080, both with one 500 GB SATA and, IF YOU USE A 40 CONDUCTOR IDE CABLE--the older kind, but be sure it isn't punched or nicked to be the old kind of cable select cable--with 2 500 GB drives, each with it's own SATA-IDE adapter (the aforementioned SIIG), one jumpered on as slave, the other jumpered off as master. Didn't want to work with 80 conductor cable for some reason.
Also, one of those 2 drives was a Seagate and the other an Hitachi. I've had an issue in the past with 2 identical Seagate PATA drives not working in a Series 1, although one of them would work just fine with another brand drive. Don't know if that's a Seagate issue, a Series 1 issue, or a that particular model Seagate issue or what, but at this time I can't promise the SIIG will work with 2 identical drives (nor can I promise that it won't).
More later when I find a really good deal on 2 1TB SATA drives.
Danger, Will Robinson!
Further Edit, info below may be out of date before the virtual ink is dry.
Just found this page
and it looks like they had to go and screw up the dimensions so as to make a liar of me.
I've got an email into SIIG support to see if the picture is wrong or they're just stupid enough to change the adapter but not the model number, but in the meantime I can't promise that ordering that model number will get you the same thing I got.
Well, I heard back from SIIG and they confirmed that they are, indeed, complete and total idiots.
They've change the size but not the model number so you can't be sure which one you'll get.
What a bunch of maroons!
And they have the nerve to claim the new one is more compact!
--see above, it modifies what comes next-- (added 11/17/2010)
Wish I'd known then what I know now and I'd have bought 3 or 4 of these on sale instead of just the 2.
In addition to apparently working in the Dual Tuner S2 SA, it's only 3.875 inches wide and 0.75 inches tall, so if you've got an external IDE hard drive case with a smidge extra length you might be able to use a SATA drive in it with one of these.
I wouldn't count on shoe-horning one into a Buffalo Link-Station, though.
It occured to me that if you're subscribed to this thread you might not be getting notifications about my edits to my initial post about the SIIG SC-SA0512-S1, so this is a separate (spelling correction edit) post to trigger those notices.
If it doesn't work that way and this post is unneccesary, Mr. Moderator, feel free to remove it or scribble all over it or call me names or whatever. : - )
Apparently that's the same adapter gravydog bought 10 of. I know this because I noticed he only tried them on Series 2 machines but not Series 1, and having seen a post from Skolink about Series 1 success with the Sunplus chipset, I bought them off of gravydog. (didn't really want all 10, but he wanted to get rid of all of them and made me a deal)
Well, it turns out that the HXSP-071218 has the Sunplus Satalink SPIF223A-HL022 chip, and Skolink's adapter has the SPIF223A-HF022, and whatever the difference between "F" and "L" is, it seems that "F" works in S1's and "L" doesn't.
ADDENDUM--December 3rd, 2010--
If you have one of these and there are 4 actual pins in one corner, as opposed to 4 holes or solder pads, hold the adapter so that the 40 pin IDE connector and the 4 pin Molex connector are facing you and on the top with the IDE on the left and the Molex on the right.
In the bottom right hand corner, consider the bottommost pin on the left (of the aforementioned 4 pins) to be pin 1. (If you look at the solder side of the adapter, you'll see that it has a square pad and the other three have round ones.)
Consider the one to its right to be pin 2, the one directly above it to be pin 3 and the one diagonally above it pin 4.
Pins 2 and 4 are connected somewhere on the board, but not to ground. If you jumper pins 2 and 4 it will make no difference whatsover.
If using a 40 conductor IDE cable, jumper 3 and 4 to make that drive Master and 1 and 2 to make it Slave.
If using an 80 conductor cable, those settings might work or might not.
I considered the possibility that jumpering 1 and 3 or leaving all pins unjumpered might be the CABLE SELECT setting, but couldn't get these adapters to actually work on an 80 conductor cable no matter what jumper setting I used.
Using a 40 conductor cable and jumpering for Master, I managed to get one of these adapters to work on a single WD1001FALS 1TB 32MB cache SATA drive in a TCD649080 (a Series 2 Double Tuner).
I do not yet know if I can get two of these, one jumpered Master, one jumpered Slave, to work in the same TiVO or in a computer using a 40 conductor cable. When I find out, I'll update here.
If your adapter with HXSP-071218 on the back only has 4 soldering places for jumper pins instead of pins, I have no idea if you can achieve anything by shorting any of them together. A lot of these adapters seem to use "almost" the same circuit boards and "almost" the same parts.
--insert additional addendum--
Speaking of "almost", many of the adapters out there have 2 electrolytic capacitors on the left just above the solder pins of the SATA power connector. My boards have surface mount device style tantalum capacitors (and only about a fourth of the capacitance).
--end additional addendum--
Why this works in a Series 2, but not in a Series 1, I do not know.
Remember, this is one adapter out of a lot of 10 supposedly identical ones, so that gives you an idea of the manufacturer's quality control. For all I know, the one that works may be doing so because it *doesn't* meet specs.
The Rosewill RC-A-SATA-IDE
(currently $15 with free shipping)
seems to be the successor to the apparently now discontinued "legendary" Rosewill RC-203
I got one and it's *very* similar to the more expensive Addonics ADSAIDE, same chipset as the newer version of that Addonics, the Marvell 88SA8052 (previous version of the Addonics had the Marvell 88SA8040).
Like the Addonics, it has a jumper block for Master, Slave, or Cable Select.
Unlike the Addonics the jumper block is on the IDE side.
Like the Addonics it has an unshrouded 40 pin IDE header and uses a floppy drive-type 4 pin power connector, and comes with a Berg to Molex adapter that lets you use regular 4 pin hard drive power plugs.
(like the Addonics it also seems to have a place where you can solder in your own LED, *unlike the Addonics it has the polarity indicated.* I haven't yet tested either to see if they'll actually drive an LED)
*edit Dec. 15, 2010 I was mistaken, the Addonics also has a polarity indicator for the non-existant LED.
It's just like a plus sign, only smaller. A lot smaller.
I discovered this while trying to move the jumper header around to the front of the Addonics where it should have been all along.
So far it seems to work in Series 1 and Series 2 standalones, and, in concert with an Addonics ADSAIDE, in a dual (SATA) drive setup in either S1 or S2.
December 15, 2010
I just heard from Koutech. The IO-ASA120 uses the same chipset (perhaps different stepping), the Marvell 88SA8052, as the new Rosewill and the later version Addonics. Trying to justify to myself the expense of buying a couple with which to play.
January 1, 2011
Well, I bought a couple of those Koutech IO-ASA120 adapters from newegg for about $20 + $2 shipping* to experiment with.
They don't have any LEDs, but they do have a Master/Slave/CableSelect jumper, and they're completely enclosed.
They work in a Series 1 standalone, one drive or two.
They work in a Series 2 standalone dual tuner (TCD649080), one drive or two.
The pictures of it on newegg when I ordered were of the prototype (I've talked to Koutech tech support, and they may have given them some newer pictures by now). On the ones I got the 4 pin power part is upside down relative to the picture and to the way IDE drives are, but if you put the plug in the only way it fits, the right wires connect to the right places.
This thing sticks out of the back of the drive more than the other designs (depth not counting the part that sticks into the SATA drive is 1.25 "), and that may be a problem in some TiVos--you'll probably have to mount the drives in a Series 1 "backwards" to keep from being right up against the unshielded power supply, and that'll mean needing a longer 40 conductor 40 pin IDE cable and extensions for the power cable.
I've been in touch with Koutech tech support both by email and by phone, and they've been co-operative and eager to help.
*I had to order each one separately to get that shipping price. Trying to order both together bumped the shipping up to $6 or $8, some weirdness about the weight.
I've noticed in my experiments that adapters that work if you're only installing one drive can be finicky if you're putting in 2 SATA drives. Some, for instance, without specific jumper settings for cable select, only work jumpered as Master and Slave on a 40 conductor cable, and if used on the 80 conductor cables they choke.
I'm looking to put 2 1TB drives in a TCD649080, and would like to be sure I've got 2 of the right adapters before I MFSadd the second drive to the first and endanger the recordings on the first drive if the combination of the 2 doesn't work. Even if I MRV everything to my other dual tuner first, that's a lot of time and work down the drain if I wind up having to re-image a single drive and re-MRV everything back.
In answer to my own question...
Well, I got a couple of WD1001FALS Caviar Blacks at the Best Buy Black Friday price, the twinbreeze bracket kit (with fan, IDE cable, and powertrip delay), and a couple of LK-13415 adapters from NSIoutlet.com (who turned out to be WOWparts, who are partsdomainauction on eBay), and so far it's all working fine, although with all that storage space to search through menu access seems a bit slow.
Did it work?: No
TiVo Model: Pioneer 810h
Hard drive model:WD SATA Green 750GB
Adapter retail name:Kingwin adp-06
Purchased from / Price:microcenter 14.99
Chipset on the adapter: RX 100?
Tivo would boot but would occasionally (and reliably) freeze up. Sometimes it would run for 12 hours or more, sometimes it would freeze after an hour or less.
Tried it in my XP computer and it doesn't work there either, boots fine but copying locked up the computer.
I bought one of the wowparts Ebay adapters (LK-13415) with the Jmicron chipset and will see if that works.
Does it matter in WinMFS if you copy the drive with the adapter on or off? I know off is faster but does that "confuse" the drive?
I assume you bought that Kingwin before you saw the post about it
on page 2 of this thread/topic, which raises the question of whether you've been through this and other threads here which discuss Western Digital "Green" drives and the "Intellipark" feature/bug and how to disable it.
Use the Windows program Computer Mangement under the control panel to get the drive ready for wirdows.
Alternatively, boot from the MFS Live CD with only that hard drive attached and dd /dev/zero to the drive after using hdparm -N /dev/whereeverthedriveis to make sure there isn't a Host Protected Area on the drive. Series 1s like to add them and some GiGaByte motherboards from a few years ago like to put particularly stubborn ones on to have a place for a BIOS backup (in spite of having dual BIOS chips on the motherboard).
I did see the post, but thought that it might have had something to do with the model of Tivo being upgraded. Some adapters seem to work in some cases but not others. I was under some time pressure and Microcenter was the closest store to get one.
I did forget to mention that I ran wdidle before I copied the drive. Good thing to reinforce about the WD green drives though.
Must be nice to live somewhere that has stores where you can go in and buy things like this after having had the opportunity to eyeball them up close, and be able to get them *now* instead of waiting for the mailman. Somewhere where there's even a chance of being able to return one that doesn't work in the application you wanted it for without a lot of hassle and having to pay the return shipping.
Oh well, welcome to the database of what doesn't work (also know as the legion of frustration). You may have saved someone else from disappointment and expense.
I forgot to answer the last part of this post.
If your adapter is working properly, then neither the drive nor the IDE controllers of either the motherboard or the Tivo should realize that it's there.
The drive should think it's connected to a SATA controller (you might want to jumper the drive to limit it to SATA 1--1.5 G--so that it doesn't waste any electrons and microseconds negotiating), and the IDE controllers should think that they're talking to a PATA drive (although at this point I've come to consider all types as PITA drives : - ).
Test the drive and the adapter on your computer's IDE controller first to make sure it at least works there, then go ahead and save some time doing the transfer with it hooked up as SATA, then back to the adapter for your Tivo trial run (and, let us hope, ultimate success).
Did it work?: yes
TiVo Model: Pioneer 810h
Hard drive model:WD SATA Green 750GB
Adapter retail name/N: LK-13415
Purchased from: eBay $6.77 including shipping sellerid: partsdomauction
Chipset on the adapter: Jmicron 20330
Works great, someone mentioned it feels a little flimsy but connections are strong. Just attach IDE and power cables to adapter first.
On to the Tivo HD!