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Lifetime Service Resurrected

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by davezatz, May 15, 2008.

  1. May 20, 2008 #61 of 173
    RonDawg

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    I'm with lessd, I'm not sure why you would want to spend the same amount of money on a monthly prepaid as on a true Lifetime subscription. Yes you can't move the Lifetime to another box (unless as a warranty exchange) but it also gives that TiVo much greater resale value.

    If you really want to go the prepaid route, the $99 1 year offer is still available on the MSD plan, and as long as TiVo doesn't increase the price in the meantime, is slightly cheaper ($297 vs $299) over that same 3 year period.
     
  2. May 20, 2008 #62 of 173
    moyekj

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    Good points. The $99/year offer I overlooked completely and is a suitable replacement option. That in addition to the $299 lifetime actually gives better MSD options than previously available.
     
  3. May 20, 2008 #63 of 173
    tivoupgrade

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    Perhaps its just an issue of TiVo eventually phasing out, or modifying the pre-paid plans; up until a few days ago, the lifetime wasn't offered in quite the same way, and maybe there are plans to either lower that price, or remove it altogether?
     
  4. May 20, 2008 #64 of 173
    RonDawg

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    Unless there's a contract, you always run the risk of the price of your subscription going up, but given a choice of paying the exact same price for a 3 year subscription and a lifetime one, I would always go for the lifetime one.

    The current $299 Lifetime deal is much more palatable, albeit only available to current subscribers.
     
  5. May 22, 2008 #65 of 173
    jkalnin

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    I got my TivoHD in February, and I am a little pissed about this price drop now. First off, I spent over $700 and was unable to get any reward points for it - annoyed...

    Next, my TivoHD is hardly as amazing as my S2 Tivo. So far I've had to restart it around 4 times to fix video freezing errors, and it has reset itself another few times for who knows what reason - more annoyed.

    Now, I see that the price for lifetime is $100 less. This is all adding up to me being pretty unhappy with my latest Tivo experience. Back with S2 I would brag to everyone how great Tivo is. Now, with my TivoHD, I tell people to just stick with their DVRs.

    :mad::mad::mad:
     
  6. May 22, 2008 #66 of 173
    GoHokies!

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    Prices always drop, and you weren't able to get any "points" for your purchase because there is no such program anymore.

    You shouldn't be having the hardware problems you are, but that's a matter for a different thread.
     
  7. May 22, 2008 #67 of 173
    jkalnin

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    True, true, and false. If I was alone with the problems I'd just replace it, but it seems there are a ton of people with the TivoHD having the exact same issues.
     
  8. May 22, 2008 #68 of 173
    GoHokies!

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    And there are a ton more that are not.

    Regardless of how many others are having the problem, my statement stands true: You shouldn't be having those hardware issues - it isn't operating as designed. (also, this is a debate for another thread)
     
  9. May 23, 2008 #69 of 173
    yunlin12

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    Given the Tivo australia development (no sub fee) and Motley fool's article regarding that, anyone think there is a chance Tivo US may get rid of the sub fee also down the line? If Tivo provides a free basic service, and a paid premium service, assuming having lifetime means you get the premium service, would you get the lifetime now?
     
  10. May 23, 2008 #70 of 173
    classicsat

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    Under the current structure of TiVo Inc (as an independent corporation with the DVR business their core), i don't think they will offer any sort of free or reduced cost service beyond what they do now.

    They will need to be bought out by some conglomerate that can subsidize the service, come up with a different business model, or significantly add advertisibg to the system, to offer a reduced cost or free service.
     
  11. May 24, 2008 #71 of 173
    wblynch

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    Funny that there are several free Electronic Program Guides for home PCs. It's truly difficult for me to believe that the value of a guide can be more than $3 to $5 a month.

    TiVo should offer a Tivo Lite where all you get is the guide and no extras. (like the stupid Music Plus videos, the 360 Radio stations and the Suggestions)
     
  12. May 24, 2008 #72 of 173
    morac

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    There's a few fees associated with the guide data besides just licensing the guide data itself. TiVo leases a bank of phone numbers (though not as many as it used to) and it also is bound to have a huge monthly broadband service bill.

    That said, I would think both things would be more than offset by the ads TiVo displays and the selling of anonymous user viewing information to 3rd parties.
     
  13. May 24, 2008 #73 of 173
    MickeS

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    I haven't seen any that have listings 12 days in advance and with the level of detail that TiVo has, but there might be some.
     
  14. May 24, 2008 #74 of 173
    Phantom Gremlin

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    The only reason they would have a "huge" broadband bill would be thru incompetence and stupidity. Of course, no shortage of that at TiVo. Internet bandwidth is almost "too cheap to meter". Remember that phrase from the early days of nuclear power? :)

    But I really mean it. Too cheap to meter. For example, to transfer high volumes from Amazon's cloud you pay $0.10 per GB.

    So, let's assume that TiVo is grossly incompetent (a realistic assumption) and assume that TiVo needs to transfer an entire Gigabyte of data to your box every month, just to keep your schedule up to date. Cost: 10 cents. Compare that to the $10/mo (more or less) that TiVo charges for each box.

    And I really don't want to hear about all that Unbox crap, Cranky Geeks, whatever else TiVo wants to push at me. I don't want the cost of that bundled into my basic service.

    In addition, let's say I have multiple TiVos in my house. Why can't they be smart enough to update their schedule from each other? For a household with 4 TiVos the monthly cost for schedule info: 2.5 cents each. Helps put that "multi service discount" into perspective, doesn't it?
     
  15. May 24, 2008 #75 of 173
    yunlin12

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    Maybe Tivo has a personal vendetta against you?
     
  16. May 26, 2008 #76 of 173
    DrewTivo

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    What's the value of the interface? It's classic consumer marketing--the interface is a fixed cost that truly should be included in the price of the box. But it's more attractive to sell the box at a lower price with higher monthly payments than have the prices reflect the true costs, which would mean box prices of $100-200 more (to cover software) and monthly fees that are $5 instead of $10-15. Maybe tivo should confuse its plans more and offer a "semi-lifetime" plan for $200, but with monthly fees of $5 instead of whatever.
     
  17. May 26, 2008 #77 of 173
    ah30k

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    Drew, TiVo pays a monthly fee for each user to cover the Tribune service that gathers and packages up the guide data.
     
  18. May 27, 2008 #78 of 173
    wblynch

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    I value the interface at $29.
     
  19. May 27, 2008 #79 of 173
    ZeoTiVo

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    first off the guide data in itself is just text and obviously not a lot of data to transmit -especially when it is smartened up to just send new, changed,deleted info.

    The cost is obviously in amintaing the hardware and software to send those updates and obviously TiVo would not just maintain one set for guide data and then replicate it all for all the spiffy new features you do not want. And tribune is smart enough to ask for payment per TiVo in use so sahring the guide data only decreases bandwidth by the small amount of text data.

    So it is not the "bandwidth" but the systems to support the TiVo service that TiVo would have to cost out and come up with the business model to cover with a profit added in.

    So if the monthly or lifetime service is something you think is being billed at too high a rate, why have you not switched to some alternative?
     
  20. May 27, 2008 #80 of 173
    DrewTivo

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    I understand that . . . point being that the monthly cost to *Tivo* of my using the box I purchased is whatever that monthly fee is--probably $3-4 or so. But the monthly subscription is significantly more than that, which is because Tivo needs to cover its development costs for the software in the box as well as the box hardware. But the software is a fixed cost that once loaded is done--why should people pay monthly for it? The reason is that it allows tivo to charge a lower upfront box price.
     

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