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Letter from Comcast RE: SDV

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by jtmal0723, Oct 4, 2008.

  1. Oct 9, 2008 #81 of 152
    jtmal0723

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    Here are some screenshots... The test channels pages are exactly the same as they are for the test channels for cablecards.... The Tuning Adapter Diagnostics page has waaaaaaay too many pages for me to screenshot them all, and the max attachment upload here is 3 images. I hope these images help.
     

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  2. Oct 9, 2008 #82 of 152
    mikeyts

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    Thanks for taking the time to collect and post those.
     
  3. Oct 9, 2008 #83 of 152
    matt@thehickmans

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    With a more efficient design, the tuning adapters would be able to run on standard USB power, eliminating wiring clutter while being greener. Maybe the next generation of TAs will do this.

    And, because the tuning adapter is two way, it should have the ability to automate the cable card pairing process. But from what I read into the TiVo FAQ, this also may have to wait.

    And while I am wishing for features, why does each box need a dedicated TA? If you have multiple TiVos on a LAN, they can talk to each other and can potentially share a TA just like my computer shares its USB connected printer.
     
  4. Oct 9, 2008 #84 of 152
    OneGr8Mick

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    how come when I call 1800 comcast and reference the tivo letter they have no idea what a tuning adapter or a tivo letter is
     
  5. Oct 9, 2008 #85 of 152
    jtmal0723

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    It would depend on where you are. Right now, they are testing it in certain areas. It's possible that the specific call center might not know anything about it yet or something. I have no idea.
     
  6. Oct 9, 2008 #86 of 152
    OneGr8Mick

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    but 1800 comcast is a national number, and I called from a nj area code phone.
     
  7. Oct 9, 2008 #87 of 152
    jtmal0723

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    I really don't have an answer to that. I never called for a truckroll, I just went down to the payment center in the letter itself and requested it.
     
  8. Oct 9, 2008 #88 of 152
    OneGr8Mick

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    I would love to try that but from where I am its an hour drive to the equipment center and not in the mood to make it for nill
     
  9. Oct 9, 2008 #89 of 152
    rainwater

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    You need to get a hold of someone local. The national number isn't going to be of much help.
     
  10. Oct 9, 2008 #90 of 152
    mikeyts

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    Did you receive the letter?
     
  11. Oct 9, 2008 #91 of 152
    rv65

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    http://www.timewarnercable.com/SanAntonio/Products/Cable/sdv/order_sdv.html

    If you are in San Antonio you can now preorder this device. It will plug in via Coax and USB. Uses a regular USB printer cable though they may give you one. It probably uses a power brick. If you have one of those stylish setups where aesthetics are important then you could find a way to integrate it. You might have to go to guided setup again. The order form does require a truck roll even though it could be installed yourself. Hope this helps.
     
  12. Oct 9, 2008 #92 of 152
    jtmal0723

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    You do not have to go through guided setup again, you just have to reboot your TiVo
     
  13. Oct 9, 2008 #93 of 152
    mattack

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    Wouldn't this mean that we could get the tuning adapter and NOT cablecards, and get all channels?
     
  14. Oct 9, 2008 #94 of 152
    jtmal0723

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    No.
     
  15. Oct 9, 2008 #95 of 152
    mattack

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    jtmal0723

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    If that does turn out to be the case, then someone needs to test this and find out if this is true. As far as I know, the TiVo does not tune through the adapter, it tunes through the CableCARDs. A CableCARD is a decoder, a tuning adapter is not. All the adapter does is send a signal to the cable company that you want to watch a specific switched channel. CableCARDs alone are not capable of this.
     
  17. Oct 9, 2008 #97 of 152
    mikeyts

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    I posted this today in the SDV FAQ thread. TiVo's SDV support page (here) has been recently beefed up. Of particular interest is this, from the "TiVo upgrades and exchanges section:
    ...which implies that TiVo can use the channel map in the TA just like it uses the CableCARD maps, even without CableCARDs plugged in. That's the capability that people who want to use TiVo to tune and record digital channels in their basic cable subscription without using CableCARDs.

    Problems with this: TAs only work in systems that have deployed SDV; you can only get TAs from your system operator (even if you could get one from someone else, only your cable SO can authorize it to work); it seems unlikely to me that any cable SO would simply give these out for free to people without TiVos with one or more leased CableCARDs, and if you're leasing CableCARDs, you don't need this to get the channel mappings.
     
  18. Oct 9, 2008 #98 of 152
    jtmal0723

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    Are you trying to say don't get the adapter if I have CableCARDs? Because I will lose a lot of channels that I regularly watch if I don't utilize the adapter... If I choose to use the adapter instead of the CableCARDs, then I won't be able to tune HBO, Showtime, TMC, Cinemax, Starz, Encore, or a few other channels because they're copy protected.
     
  19. Oct 9, 2008 #99 of 152
    mikeyts

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    No--I'm not trying to say that at all. (I can't see where you derive that from what I said).

    I was responding to the issue that mattack and morac are talking about. People try to use TiVo to tune and record the digital channels on their cable system which are included in the core basic service tier, like the rebroadcast of local over-the-air DTV stations. These channels aren't encrypted so they don't require a CableCARD for decryption (this is primarily what CableCARDs do--they don't "tune" anything). TiVo's guide service doesn't support this, mostly because the cable providers are free to change the QAM carrier and program number of these channels and some providers occasionally do, so TiVo can't be certain of where it can tune them. Users who object to having to pay the monthly CableCARD charge when all they want are the channels that they could typically tune with the QAM tuners in their televisions have been banging on TiVo to figure out some way to support these channels in the guide. They can tune these channels without CableCARD, if they can figure out where they are, using their "natural" channel number (a channel whose virtual number is 8-1 might be present on the cable system as 79-3); I myself have done this. However, the channels won't appear in the guide and you therefore can't use Season Passes, etc with them.

    What these people are saying is that the Tuning Adapter will work as a substitute for CableCARDs for their limited purposes, and since the cable providers are handing them out for free, why can't they just get one of them? I'm doubting that the cable providers will give them to people who aren't using CableCARDs in their TiVos. I could be wrong.

    So far, my provider hasn't taken any core basic tier stuff and presented it as SDV and I doubt that many of them will. In generally, switched broadcasts will be in some kind of pay tier (expanded basic at a minimum) and will require a CableCARD to decrypt. If you're not going to tune switched broadcasts, why should they give you a TA?
     
  20. Oct 9, 2008 #100 of 152
    jtmal0723

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    Ohhhh ok. Fair enough. But yeah, if you don't have CableCARDs, Comcast won't give you a box. She literally checked my account, after I gave her my phone number, and she went and saw I had CableCARD Digital (that's what CableCARDs show up as on the bill) so she went into the back and got a box for me. No charge.
     

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