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KidZone features (or bugs?)

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by jfh3, Jun 11, 2006.

  1. jfh3

    jfh3 New Member

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    Figured a thread specifically to discuss some of the KZ features (or bugs) might be helpful. The items listed here are features.


    1) Guide doesn't work in KZ

    When watching a program in KZ, if I hit Guide, I just get a bonk (with a cute Batman-type "Bonk!" graphic briefly superimposed over the bottom left corner of the screen)

    2) Program hidden banner

    When scrolling through channels in KZ, sometimes there is a KZ banner:
    "This program is hidden from Tivo Kidzone. Press [channel button picture] to view other channels in Kidzone, or press the [Tivo button picture] button to return to Kidzone Now Playing."

    The banner is displayed on a channel allowed in KZ, so I presume it's being displayed, because although the channel is allowed, the content isn't within the currently defined KZ settings (which given my settings seems to be the case).

    3) Channel banner type limited to station and bar types only.

    When changing channels, the channel banner starts out in the small version (time, station, channel) then expands to the title bar format (show title, program start/end, rating) only if the program is viewable. The full banner version (display program description) doesn't seem to be available, regardless of what is set by default outside of KZ.

    This seems to be a good idea, though on channels that can be viewed, this results in a "flash" between the small and title bar versions upon tuning the channel - be nice to see this quick swap of formats eliminated.


    4) When first going into KZ after a reboot, the Tivo introduction cartoon plays.


    This is pretty cute, and can be quickly stopped (as always) by hitting any key. Good reuse though.


    5) Screen saver

    When Tivo has been inactive for at least 4 hours and KZ is enabled, Tivo automatically drops into KZ and displays a KZ screen saver (Blue outer ring, inner red cresent, three red stars and the yellow tippy K Z letters).

    Hitting any key plays the introduction Tivolution video before going to KZNP. (The video can be interrupted by hitting any key).

    6) No KZ only bookmarks

    The bookmark status (where you are in a program for "Resume Playing") in KZ is the same as when playing a program from the master NPL. Would be nice to see one bookmark per program per zone, especially if KZ is ever expanded to allow custom NPLs by family member.
     
  2. aus1ander

    aus1ander New Member

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    As to #1, I'm pretty sure thats a "feature". In the support document for KZ, they state that channels can only be changed with a "channel up" or "channel down" on the remote. I guess its logical because most kids young enough to use KZ won't use the guide.
     
  3. aus1ander

    aus1ander New Member

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    I haven't received 7.3 yet, so I was just wondering... does KZ programming show up in both the master NPL and the KZ NPL? I assume if you set up a Season Pass for say, Sesame Street, that SP spans both KZ and the upper level functions, so the recorded program will appear in both lists.

    It would be nice to have all the kids programming only show up in KZ or have a KZ folder in the master NPL.
     
  4. DancnDude

    DancnDude Thrice as nice TCF Club

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    The KZ list is just a "filtered" view of the regular Now Playing List. Now Playing always show all the shows on the TiVo and KidZone Now Playing only shows the "allowed" programs based on the user settings.
     
  5. Dave_N

    Dave_N New Member

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    As someone who has setup kidzone, all of my children 4, 7, 10 expected the keypad buttons to work. I think this should at least be an option. I also believe the guide should list the kid zone configured channels. I do understand that this seems to be "working as designed". I don't think it would too hard to make these two behaviors configurable.

    As an optional feature, it would be nice if the kid zone could be scheduled. E.G, I fall asleep watching the sopranos, a bit slow this season eh ;);it would be nice that if at 6:00 A.M. kid zone was automatically enabled.
     
  6. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    If you configure KZ to have only say 9 channels - is it only those channels you see when you hot the channel up or down ?

    and why have the guide - my kids would just whine about what they are not seeing. ;)

    I read in that PDF guide or somewhere that KZ will come back after 4 hours of inactivity. so for that one example it would be back at 6am
     
  7. jfh3

    jfh3 New Member

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    Yes. You only see those channels, except if progamming on a channel at that time is not within the allowed rating/program type, then you see the banner I noted in the first post.

    I don't want to see the entire guide, just one built from the allowed KZ channels.
     
  8. bpurcell

    bpurcell TMBG Fan

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    But KZ isn't necessarily about what you want. It's about what kids would and should use. Especially when they are under 10, I would prefer if my son use as few buttons as possible. Since they probably won't have many channels to choose from, I'd rather they just use the up/down buttons. Changing the Guide to make it only show KZ channels seems like a can of worms that might cause unintended problems if implemented. Maybe they might add it later, but only after test and retest it to death to make sure it will do what you expect.
     
  9. cbordman

    cbordman PP-ASEL

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    Something like that is happening. Selecting 'Exit KidZone' from the now playing list works as you would think, but when i come back to the TV hours later, it is always back in KIDZONE mode.
     
  10. bpurcell

    bpurcell TMBG Fan

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    According to the KZ instructions, that's what's supposed to happen. If you exit KZ, then leave the tivo alone for 4 hours, KZ will come back on.
     
  11. TiVoPony

    TiVoPony New Member

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    Alviso,...
    But...not a single thing you've listed is a bug. All as designed (with one exception noted below). Would you mind changing the thread title and your post...

    As has been mentioned in other threads, the TiVo animation only plays if the box has been restarted. It does not play each time you go to the KZ Now Playing List. That one ought to just be quietly deleted from your post, or at least note that that's not what it does.

    Oh...there is another way to play the TiVo animation within KZ. Lots of kids love it...we'd hate to lose that bit of fun.

    Pony
     
  12. hfwarner3

    hfwarner3 New Member

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    First, I had my first spontaneous TiVo reboot ever last night. I came out of KZ, went to my media server, downloaded an MPEG file and it said there was a problem and I should check to History in To Do list. I went there and when I clicked on History, the TiVo rebooted. Interesting.

    My only complaint about KZ is the inability of telling TiVo that MPEG files are okay for the kids. It bans the MPEG files, so the kids can not even see them. As a result, my kids have lost the old Superman cartoons and other MPEG videos we had on the media server. Not a big deal, but annoying.
     
  13. TiVoPony

    TiVoPony New Member

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    Yep, it's something that we'd like to add support for in the future, but there is no simple solution today.

    Hope your kids are enjoying KidZone...the testing we did here with parents and kids was really amazing. Parents liked it, but kids *loved* it. Having their own space was a big deal.

    Pony
     
  14. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

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    Now we just need KidZone for adults :) Then we can have profiles for each user in the house.
     
  15. TiVoPony

    TiVoPony New Member

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    I know someone who uses KZ when they have parties. If guests want to watch TV, it's no problem. You just can't mess with any planned recordings, nor can you load his box up with prank recordings. ;)

    Pony
     
  16. petew

    petew Active Member

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    I don't have 7.3 yet and am in no rush to get it as 2/3 of my kids are no longer legally children! However I was wondering if .tivo files xfered back to the Tivo were accessible in Kidzone. If so this thread might be of interest:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=284726

    It would also provide a possible solution if TiVo could provide a PC utility for creating .tivo files from MPG's or provide interested outsiders the format so we could do it ourselves.
     
  17. greg_burns

    greg_burns Now in HD

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    I will have to try that. Just last night I tried pulling off a blocked .mpg (a video from my son's kindergarten class) from the Tivo and round-tripped it back again. But it remained blocked. :(

    Attaching a new header may work (going to try it now), but, of course, it will have a false program details and title.

    Edit: it does work, but an incorrect title is too confusing
     
  18. hfwarner3

    hfwarner3 New Member

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    The Kids love it so far. It was funny to hear them talk about how easy it is to find THEIR stuff now that all that "stinky mama and daddy stuff" was out of the way. :)
     
  19. jfh3

    jfh3 New Member

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    I've edited the original post.

    What's the other way to play the animation within KZ?
     
  20. jfh3

    jfh3 New Member

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    KidZone is GREAT and I think it will be a defining feature for Tivo.

    Having individual profiles would be a great expansion of the concept.
     

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