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Justified "Shot All to Hell" OAD 2014-02-04 **spoilers**

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by MikeAndrews, Feb 5, 2014.

  1. uncdrew

    uncdrew Annie 2.0

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    and...

    He had the element of surprise. He could have really snuck up on them and easily killed them. It didn't make any sense, but that's TV for ya.
     
  2. uncdrew

    uncdrew Annie 2.0

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    I respectfully disagree. I think Art appreciates what Raylan does and almost idolizes him. He knows Raylan is on the up-and-up. I think Art will do almost anything to protect Raylan.

    Yes, Raylan drives him nuts sometimes and makes Art have to work more to cover everyone's ass. And he wants Raylan to act more like the others. But deep down he likes the old school Marshall style and he likes Raylan.
     
  3. pmyers

    pmyers Active Member

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    I agree with you. I think he's out to protect him, and possible even setup him taking his spot when he retires, shortly.
     
  4. ClutchBrake

    ClutchBrake Pass the gravy!

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    I have to respectfully disagree that Art would ever consider Raylan as his replacement. Of the three Rachel is the only one I could see him grooming. Not Raylan because he's... well... Raylan. And he's shown caution towards Tim due to his military background. Rachel has had some personal problems but of the three she is the most by the book, stable, and responsible.
     
  5. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    Absolutely. He would have to be kind of a moron. And he's not.

    I think his problem with Raylan isn't whatever he did on the tarmac...it's that Raylan kept hiding it from him. He wanted the truth, and Raylan was stopping him from getting it. If he knew what Raylan's involvement really was, then he could resolve the investigation in a way that does minimal damage. But the fact that Raylan kept lying to him and evading him offended him, and made him more determined to get to the bottom of it.

    And Raylan finally seems to have figured out that it's better to have your boss/friend with you than against you.
     
  6. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

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    If you'd seen the previews, you
    would see how pissed Art really is...
     
  7. uncdrew

    uncdrew Annie 2.0

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    I think the trip to Detroit was in part about Theo Tonin. Art wanted that feather in the end of his career cap and a simple day-trip to Detroit was very little effort towards that end goal.
     
  8. MikeAndrews

    MikeAndrews Registered abuser

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    What led Art to Detroit was the tip from the FBI that a fed was at the Nicky hit, knowing that Raylan was off duty and nearby at the time.

    How about Art listening to Rush on the radio? I guess the writers couldn't abide that Art'd be listening to Country and Western music...
     
  9. philw1776

    philw1776 Active Member

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    Art is played by Nick Searcy who I'm told has been a guest on Rush's show and is a big fan. I think either Nick suggested this or the writers were busting his balls by putting that in. Hilarious!
     
  10. DavidJL

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    Yup, Searcy was interviewed on Rush at least once a season or two ago. Rush is a big fan of Elmore Leonard and Justified. Searcy was a great interview.

    He gave a nice behind the scenes look into the show and described one occasion while he was on set, where he mistakenly sent Rush's radio show to his phone speaker rather than the headphones or something similar. He said Timothy Olyphant teased him about it a bit.


    Here's the interview, spoilers for previous seasons:

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/01/17/actor_nick_searcy_of_justified
     
  11. philw1776

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    Now I'm certain that the scene was written as in joke ball busting to Nick.
     
  12. DavidJL

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    You're probably right, though it may have been Nick coming through with his earlier claim of getting Rush on the show. My memory was off on a couple of details, it was apparently during a scene Art was in.

    SEARCY: Well, I have to tell you one story, though, 'cause you made an appearance on the set of Justified one day. We were doing a scene, Tim Olyphant and I, and I had my phone in my pocket. And of course, like every decent American, I have the Rush 24/7 app on my iPhone so that I can listen to you. As I was walking through the office during the scene, somehow my pants brushed up against the wrong button on the iPhone and your voice started playing during the scene.

    RUSH: Oh no!

    SEARCY: During the scene. Right in the middle.

    RUSH: Oh, no, and they cut it out?

    SEARCY: Well, chaos kind of erupted. Everybody's going, "What's that? What's that?"

    RUSH: (laughing)

    SEARCY: And Tim Olyphant goes, "Oh, my God. Now we've got Rush Limbaugh on the show."

    RUSH: (laughing)

    SEARCY: And I turned to him and I said, "Wait a minute. How do you know what Rush Limbaugh sounds like? You only heard about five words out of his mouth. Are you a listener?" (laughing) And he wouldn't answer me.

    RUSH: That's hilarious.

    SEARCY: But it was great.

    Full interview here with spoilers for previous seasons:

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/01/17/actor_nick_searcy_of_justified
     
  13. madscientist

    madscientist Deregistered Snoozer

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    I don't agree. Definitely Ralyan is often a big pain for Art and he has to kick Raylan's butt, but he really likes Raylan and there's no way he'd grass him out for something like that, especially given the circumstances (where they were threatening Raylan's family).

    I think the showdown in the diner was actually intended to make this even more clear, as Art won't take any crap from Marcos, just like Raylan wouldn't have. And Duffy's comment was something like that's how marshals down here are--again putting Art and Raylan in the same category.

    I do not think Art is so enthralled with Raylan that he wants Raylan to take his job though: that would be a disaster for everyone (and I doubt Raylan wants the job either). Art thinks of Raylan like a little brother, almost, IMO.

    I usually do but somehow I missed them this week :-/.

    Heh, that's how out of touch I was; I thought you were talking about this Rush and I was very confused.
     
  14. cmontyburns

    cmontyburns Excellent.

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    It's a pile-on! :)

    To be clear, what I meant was that Art would go after Raylan if he had to, not that he wants to. I think he does like Raylan personally. He's also frustrated with Raylan professionally, not only because Raylan is all too willing to ignore the rules in doing his job, but -- and this is key -- because Raylan puts Art's career at risk in doing so. Art has complained about that very thing before. If Raylan is implicated in Nicky's death, Art has to investigate him, or he becomes part of a cover-up himself. This is what I meant about throwing the book at him. He doesn't want to do that, but he will. So Art is mad at Raylan not only for continually breaking rules, but for the position it puts Art in when Raylan does it.

    (Regarding the "threatening Raylan's family" part, remember how that episode went down. After Raylan saved Winona, he demanded that Art put him on the case. Art refused, in no uncertain terms, and told Raylan if he went anywhere near it, Art would have his badge.)
     
  15. uncdrew

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    Yes, most definitely. The main reason for the trip, for sure.

    But I think Theo Tonin is "the one that got away" for Art, and any chance to know or ask anything at all about Theo is something he'd do. Chasing down any lead about anything to do with Theo could lead him to Theo, and while he certainly has interest in any FBI/Marshall involvement in Nicki's death, he might also think it could help get him closer to Theo.

    Just my personal thought. I could be wrong.
     
  16. uncdrew

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    Art likes Rush. :(

    Man, I lost a little love for Art. Oh well, more room for Raylan man-crush.
     
  17. philw1776

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    Well said. Art especially and Rachel as well are constantly dumping on Raylan (Wonder Boy she calls him) and even Tim gets condescending at times. If Art had to appoint his successor from within, it would be Rachel.

    Raylan's behavior earns all the dissing he gets. A fun part of the show having all the sub characters dump on the "star".
     
  18. spartanstew

    spartanstew Thanks 4 the Update

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    I think Art's relationship with Raylan is similar to Peter Burke and Neal Caffrey's. Neither Art, nor Peter fully trust Raylan or Neal.
     
  19. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    He's credited under the name Wray Nerely
     

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