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Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by dave13077, Aug 20, 2012.
I'd vote $99. Can't be more than that, just can't
The most expensive Roku 2 is $99 and that can do considerable more than what this Stream will be able to do. Granted though transcoding on the fly isn't one of them, but I'm betting the TiVo Stream doesn't come with a free copy of Angry Birds.
A product which can stream from any device with video out to outside the home, the Slingbox Solo, is currently going for $129 on Amazon (though it requires another $30 for the iOS app).
If the Stream comes out and costs the same or more than a Slingbox, it's dead on arrival, so I'd say $99 max. I'm hoping it's closer to $79, similar to what the Slide originally cost.
- Slingbox SOLO (no HD) has a "sale" price on Amazon for $129.00 ($49 discount)
- Slingbox HD Pro has a "sale" price of $254.97 on Amazon for ($43.03 discount).
- The SlingPlayer app is $29.99 in the appstore...
So you are @ a minimum cost of $160
I expect to see the TiVo stream sell for $149.99 and the IOS software will remain free.
I am betting that is pretty close to the hardware / manufacturing costs for this device. At that cost TiVo makes no profit at all. TiVo does not have Foxcon and 100 million units a year to spread profits accross. They need to spread R&D, part costs and manufacturing accross maybe 10 thousand units - tops.
Your pricing is laughable in the real world. And frankly if only a company the size of Apple can deliver products in this new tech world - this is going to get pretty boring pretty quickly.
My guess would be the ~ $150 price point as well. I think there's going to be some people in the < $100 crowd that will be disappointed.
People need to keep in mind this thing isn't a roku. I'm not sure why it's being compared to a roku.
I'm guessing/hoping it's going to be using the same app we already have from TiVo on our iPads, for consistent and elegant UI. Please, don't give us a whole separate app! The current one is fine!
Maybe they'll roll the functionality into the release version, considering it'll only work with the TiVo Stream hardware installed, what's the harm?
Based on what was shown at that cable show a few months ago that's exactly what they plan to do. The playback and side loading functionality will be rolled right into the main iOS app.
I'm not comparing Apple to TiVo, which isn't a fair comparison because of how huge Apple is. I'm comparing TiVo to relatively small companies which are comparable in size to TiVo (or smaller) .
The Slingbox has hardware in it that a Stream would not require, namely an analog to digital converter and input jacks. Any time you have A2D or D2A hardware, you greatly increase the price of the hardware.
The PogoPlug video, which did real-time transcoding from attached hard drives, retailed for $200. That could stream from any connected hard drive or video camera that supported USB. It could also print to printers. That also had hardware that the Stream wouldn't require, namely USB and hard drive support. Note, it was recalled and shelved because of fire risk.
There's a full blown linux computer on a board for $35. It doesn't have the power for real time transcoding, but it is pretty powerful for it's cost and is capable of outputting HD video.
Realistically the Stream could be nothing more than board with an embedded CPU, hardware transcoder and network interface. Something like that would be cheap even if you thrown in research, design and manufacturing.
I think $99 is a fair price, though the early adopter tax that TiVo tends to add to newly released products could push it up to $150. At that price though, one might as well just get a Slingbox, which can stream out over the Internet from any device.
In fact you can combine the embedded CPU and hardware transcoder as both are part of the Zenverge ZN200 SoC. The ZN200 would connect to the E-NET or MoCA interfaces via a PCIe bus. Add some DDR memory, flash memory for Stream program storage, and power supply circuitry and a circuit board and that's probably about it for the hardware.
The big unknown is how much TiVo is paying for the ZN200. It appears that TiVo will be the first large customer for Zenverge so perhaps they received some pretty good discounts. The ZN200 actually appears to leverage a Synopsys DDR IP solution.
I am not going to debate specific hardware elements in the device, but I suspect you are underestimating both the fixed costs and R&D costs.
As for Slingbox, even the non HD version is more expensive then you are allowing TiVo and it does not allow sideloading onto device - a function that I will be using a lot more then streaming...
TiVo could release an app that works only with the stream. Then they could release a new version of the tivo app if they wanted to. Not an elegant option, but it is a lot easier than adding devices onto their apple account.
I hope the cost isn't too much. My guess is it will be built-in to the next-gen boxes anyways.
Yes, but then it wouldn't be a beta app, would it.
Well, I'm going with $59-$79. I can't imagine that it would be more.
Optimistically, I am hoping it'll be $99 (or less.) I will pay up to $129.
Realistically, knowing what I know about this company, it'll be a ridiculous $249 (or more.)
... or require a $15/mo service fee.
I'd pay up to about $175, maybe $200. I'm expecting it to come in around $150. I'd be astonished if the price (including app) was less than $100.
We really need a poll about this!!
I don't care what the price is. No Android = no interest.
But if I had to speculate, I would say $150.
+1 on the "no interest" part...
if it cant stream outside of the house 150 is way to much. I would be better off getting a Slingbox if it is 150. The solo's are on WOOT all the time for pretty cheap
+2 on no interest. For me nothing I record is copy protected so I can download stuff I need and edit out commercials, etc. and put shows on any device I want. Plus since I already have a Slingbox I can watch via internet if desired as well. i.e. Much more capability than this box will offer. I can understand the interest from some but it's a pass for me. I too doubt very much it will be under $100 at least for initial release. TiVo has always surprised me on the up side as far as initial pricing goes. I'm more interested in the Mini.
I love the people that make an effort to come into these threads just to say they are not interested. Lol