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Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by dave13077, Aug 20, 2012.
I am glad everyone hates this idea! Less entries improve my chances of getting one early!
There's no language indicating a pre-order means they get it earlier. That's why it's kind of silly.
With 600 winners, I'm guessing a darn good percentage of entrants will win.
I can already stream most of the programming I record on my Tivo to a mobile device for free off the internet anyway. Maybe if I was going somewhere without internet access and wanted to watch a show on a mobile device, I would download from the streamer, but I can't remember ever needing to do that.
Floundering? Android tablets have only been on the market for about 1.5 years. The number of choices are really heating up, the Fire was a success, and the Nexus 7 is already a big hit and it is barely out the door. Android already DOMINATES the smart phone market, blowing Apple away and MS is nowhere in that market. Android device activations are now ONE MILLION PER DAY! It will take a while for Android tablets to really make an impact on Apple tablets, but it is bound to happen. Most people want a similar phone/tablet experience and there is just a HUGE potential market for Android tablets to mate with peoples' Android phones.
Possibly. But Android tablets have a 1.5 year head start, and over *500,000* available applications RIGHT NOW and still growing quickly (by more than 20,000 apps a month). And with the $200 Nexus 7, I think you might be surprised what happens over this Christmas season...
I think that is overly optimistic. But should be an interesting saga.
How, with a slingbox? That wasn't free if so.
I suspected you might disagree with me...
First, let's not confuse phones with tablets. Android is projected to sell 37.9 million tablets this year with a third of those being the cheaper / smaller Fire and Nexus units. That is compared to Apples 73 million premium units.
I do think that the small / cheap devices will always have a market. I purchased a Kindle Fire for my 10 yo daughter and it is OK... Similarly, I am sure the Nexus 7 is OK as well - for reading books or as a toy for a child.
Personally, I was an early iPad adopter and I don't care how many apps it has, it falls short for my needs... Sure it browses the Internet and lets me read email or consume other content. But for real work? I need something more.
I will purchase the pro version, but even the RT will have Microsoft office and a real file system and connect to my corporate environment... Apps will come - but on day one I can use Microsoft Excel optimized for touch!
I think Windows 8 will struggle on the standard desktop, but on a tablet it shines!
Will it kill the premium Android tablet? After using it for the last couple of months, I think it will. But only time will tell.
As for the Stream - TiVo will follow the users. Apple gives the functionality cache, and is great for marketing. Android should be a fast follower.
If windows 8 has a positive adoption - then we will see an app. But remember, world wide - 300 million PC's will be sold in 2013 and that is a lot of Windows 8 devices!
I think the apps will come.
? You have obviously never used a Nexus 7, which is a quad-core 1.2Ghz (plus 5th power-saving core) Tegra 3 chipset with Nvidia graphics, high-res screen, NFC, and 1GB of fast RAM. It is easily as powerful as an iPad (although not as large, or as much storage, yet twice the memory and most of the same features, except no rear camera) for lower than half the price.
Tablets are certainly not for everyone or for all tasks. But I know plenty of people that do "real work" on both Android and Apple tablets. (Of course, I know far, far more that just use them casually).
There are several just-as-powerful and compatible spreadsheets (and office suites) for Android (I know, I have two of them). And there is already a "real" filesystem, connectivity to cloud storage, nfs clients, scp, Exchange clients. etc. I am not saying it is the right fit for you, but I *am* saying that there is nothing magic or overly compelling for an MS-Windows tablet. Just about anything you can imagine doing on an MS-Windows tablet has already been done under Android and/or iOS.
If the Phone OS's are so powerful and functional, when should we expect to see them on full computers? I realize I am being a little snarky - but saying that these devices are anything but consumption devices is a joke.
I probably own every IOS productivity app in the library - seriously... But they are all garbage. You want to create, collaborate and share real content (PowerPoint, Excel, Word) you need a real computer. IOS CAN'T EVEN SHOW JPEG 2000!!!! Just shows up blank on PDF's. Try sitting in a meeting where half your presentation is full of blank pages! I have.
Take a look at the office 2013 keynote - try doing that on one of these current phone OS's!
CNET Review - [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZbsULHdm4I&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/media]
RT devices will come with the student version of office pre-installed.
I currently carry both a laptop and a tablet when I travel... Give me one device!
One could say that the latest version of OS X and Windows 8 are very much based on mobile OS's.
As for using only a tablet, it can be done, though not without a Bluetooth keyboard and a slight learning curve. The biggest issue is tablet screens aren't large enough for running multiple applications in cascaded windows (my widescreen monitor at work, is barely large enough for that) which requires switching between apps and many things, like programming, aren't feasible on a tablet, but for many tasks a tablet works fine, especially the 10" ones. I typed this entire message on my iPad 2 (no dictation for me).
Speaking of, there will almost certainly be an iPad mini coming out soon, as well as a larger screen iPhone, so I don't think Microsoft (or Android) is a sure bet for winning the tablet or phone markets. Oh and I know plenty of people who have Android phones and iPads. Not sure why, but that's what they do.
I think both Microsoft and Apple would disagree with you.
Is office a differentiator for Microsoft tablets? For me it is, but only time will tell how it will translate into actual sales.
As for actual usage, watch some of the YouTube reviews and I think you can get a feel for usability.
Keynote PowerPoint / Outlook / OneNote: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si43cs_deXE&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/media]
Cascading windows? The Windows 8 style is a different aproach...
So this thread has been ruined...
Yeah sorry about that... Since I broke it, let me try to bring it back!
I think the sweepstakes is a pretty silly event. I get what TiVo is trying to do, they want to deploy a limited number of devices as a beta - that is fine. They also want to use the event to create a social media buzz - i think that is a fail.
But I do want a TiVo transcoder and would love to be in the Beta group, so I registered just the same.
While they are initially testing it on the IOS platform, I suspect that an android app is in development and should be available with the general release. If not, big fail.
I do hope that TiVo creates a path to offload content to a PC. A lot like can already be done using TiVo desktop.
How is that! Sorry, between a few after work drinks and my passion for the new W8 tablet form factor - I drug this thread way off topic. Oh and an opportunity to debate CRXSSI on a topic that I know we are both passionate about was too good to pass up! Even though I did intentionally bait him! Sorry dude!
I don't quite get the appeal of the stream. I'd rather just have an extender (ala AppleTV/ROKU app) that can wirelessly stream my shows stored on the Tivo to a different TV.
Maybe I'm missing how this can already be done?
That is really the purpose of the TiVo Mini.
The TiVo Stream allows you to stream content from your TiVo to a mobile device (currently limited to in network) and allows you to offload (sideload) content to watch remotely on mobile devices.
The TiVo Mini is an extender that will attach to another TV in your home and borrow a tuner from an existing 4 tuner Premier (current limitation). This will allow you to operate the Mini just like another TiVo!
I'm looking forward to the Stream. I have a SlingBox and bought the SlinBox app so I could watch TV on my iPad while I'm going to sleep. (wife wont allow real TV in bedroom) However I discovered shortly after buying the $30 app that my SlingBox is broken and will only stream for a few minutes before erroring out. (common problem, something to do with bad capacitors) Rather then give sling any more of my money I'm holding out for the Stream instead. For my purposes it's perfect.
Android already is on "full computers"- in it's parent form called Linux. And Google already makes ChromeOS netbooks, which is essentially Android.
As nothing seemed to verify my facebook account or lack of facebook account, I signed up anyway. If necessary, I'll friend Tivo if/when I'm chosen.
Maybe the originally intended this to be a facebook-based promotion?
Eh, thread drift is pretty normal on just about any forum.
I am still very interested in the TiVo Stream device as it connects to the TiVo Mini (as long as there are NO FEES) and Android access later would be a great bonus.
Chrome OS is an offshoot but it's not actually Android. And Android is based on Linux, but it's not Linux. In reality there are no desktop PCs running Android.
By contrast tablets running Windows 8 will be running the exact same OS that you run on your desktop. RT is a little different, but the x86 tablets will basically be netbooks with touch screens instead of keyboards. You'll probably even be able to hack them and install Linux instead.
I predict that will happen about 10 minutes after they go on sale!
The surface pro will be running an i5 Ivy Bridge CPU (hopefully the Haswell chip set) with every port known to man including a USB3.0 port. I am not sure I would call it a Netbook, those are better specs then my "aging" laptop...
Lots of questions though - price, battery, heat, etc...
I really do not "want" an RT tablet, but I may end up purchasing one just to see how it handles the more complex software like MS Office.