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Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by dave13077, Aug 20, 2012.

  1. Sep 7, 2012 #561 of 634
    csgraber

    csgraber New Member

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    I just ordered the stream. Pretty much got a Premiere because of that. . and Tivo treated me pretty nicely there (good price, no change to my subscription etc). of course I've been Tivoing for about 10years. . .I'm old school.

    I will def. keep an eye on this board. What I really want is to used my hacked Android 4g Phone to setup a hotspot for my ipad. . .or if I'm at starbucks or something . .and be able to watch shows.

    The biggest downside is this non-background downloading crap. I find that pretty weak.
     
  2. Sep 7, 2012 #562 of 634
    ronaldheft

    ronaldheft New Member

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    That's exactly how it works. The only "annoying" thing about that setup is it starts you at the beginning of the recording, so you might have to fast forward up to live TV depending on if the tuner was already on that channel.
     
  3. Sep 7, 2012 #563 of 634
    gtrogue

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    That's an iOS thing. Apple will only let you continue a background download for 10 minutes. Apple is very specific about what types of things can run longer than 10 minutes in a background thread, the Tivo app doesn't meet the criteria.

    It wouldn't surprise me if the Android version has background downloads.
     
  4. Sep 7, 2012 #564 of 634
    innocentfreak

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    Of course if the App recognized synced .TiVo videos, they could just add support for TiVo Desktop and no one would have to worry about background downloads. Also it would be faster since it would be a pure wired connection if using a desktop/
     
  5. Sep 7, 2012 #565 of 634
    Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I don't understand this comment. The App can't just play .tivo files directly. Those are all MPEG-2 and the iPad doesn't have hardware to decode MPEG-2. The whole purpose of the Stream is to recode the MPEG-2 stream to H.264 so the iPad can decode it using it's built in hardware decoder.

    Now if you mean utilizing a PC to do the recoding, rather then a dedicated box, you'd be surprised at how poorly that would work. Even the fastest x86 CPU can barely recode 1 HD stream in real time, let alone 4 at the same time. And most lower end or older PCs couldn't even do one. It would be a support nightmare. There are some thing that dedicated chips and do remarkably better then a PC, and video recoding is one of them.

    Dan
     
  6. Sep 7, 2012 #566 of 634
    innocentfreak

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    The problem I have heard is there is no way currently to add or remove videos to the TiVo app except via the Stream. For example if you download shows via the Stream to the iPad, you can't copy those same copy freely videos off the IOS device. Along those same lines, you can't copy over H.264 videos to play via the TiVo app.

    This functionality would be needed in addition to the TiVo Desktop access for transfers.

    Sorry this is what I get for posting at work.
     
  7. Sep 7, 2012 #567 of 634
    compnurd

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    I dont think the point was for the programs to ever be watched outside the Tivo App
     
  8. Sep 7, 2012 #568 of 634
    jmpage2

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    Well, I review network designs for video, so I'm quite familiar with throttling, QoS queues, etc.

    I'm not sure precisely what the issue is with hotel/guest networks in general I just know that they do a very poor job with my Slingbox.

    There's no reason you should not be able to get a reasonably good quality 720P video/audio transmission going at a measly 1mb/s but Sling can't seem to pull that off particularly well.
     
  9. Sep 7, 2012 #569 of 634
    Dan203

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    OK I could see that being useful, since the trick play controls in the app are better then those in the standard Apple player. However there is a way to get video from your PC to an iPad already so this is probably not high priority for them.

    Although I wouldn't mind seeing them add this functionality to TiVo Desktop. I'd also like to see them add the ability to utilize the Stream when copying shows to a PC. But those are both secondary to the devices original purpose.

    Dan
     
  10. Sep 7, 2012 #570 of 634
    Dan203

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    I agree. I bought the SlingBox a few years ago right before we went on a 2 1/2 week trip up the East coast. The idea was that we could continue to watch some of our "must see" shows in the Hotels at night time. However even though we had a 3Mbps up speed at home, the video was barely even watchable in most of the hotels we stayed at. A ran some speed tests and most of the hotels never went above 200-300Mbps down. Since then I've only used it a few times while traveling and it was OK but when I bought my iPad last year I thought I finally had a use for it... streaming to the iPad inside my home. Unfortunately after paying $30 for the app I discovered my SlingBox was broken and it's some very common problem because they use sh*tty capacitors. I briefly considered getting another one, but then TiVo showed off the Stream at CES and I decided to wait for it instead. I'm glad I did because the experience is way better then the Slingbox for local network streaming.

    Dan
     
  11. Sep 7, 2012 #571 of 634
    andyf

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    Dan, tell me you mean kbps. 200-300Mbps is huge.
     
  12. Sep 7, 2012 #572 of 634
    Dan203

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    Yeah I meant Kbps. :eek:

    Dan
     
  13. Sep 7, 2012 #573 of 634
    Surrealone

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    What is trick play control?
     
  14. Sep 7, 2012 #574 of 634
    jfh3

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    The ability to scan through the program, 30 second skip, 8 sec rewind.
     
  15. Sep 7, 2012 #575 of 634
    Surrealone

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    And thats called trick play? hummm I just see a button on the bottom that says 30sec skip
     
  16. Sep 7, 2012 #576 of 634
    crxssi

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    That's because

    1) They probably don't have that much bandwidth to begin with. Commercial bandwidth is expensive.

    2) They are usually providing it over wifi, and that has lots of potential problems with range, interference, bad devices on the network, etc.

    3) You are trying to go through more points to get "home". It is not like you are talking to a server much closer to the backbone.

    4) You have to share that limited bandwidth with potentially dozens and dozens of other people competing for a limited resource.

    5) They could be potentially throttling down hogs, and typically, ANY video user is just that- a bandwidth hog! Video streaming is dozens of times more load than audio streaming which is dozens of times more than just casual web browsing (which is what most of these public networks were designed to handle).

    All it takes is a small number of hogs to ruin it for everyone. I don't expect to be able to stream video on a public network at a place like a hotel (not yet anyway). What makes me angry is when just regular text browsing on web sites is miserably slow due to the LACK of decent throttling and traffic management. But that is complex and few places do it.

    When it comes to travel video entertainment, I plan ahead and shove stuff onto my tablet or netbook so I KNOW I will be able to watch something.
     
  17. Sep 7, 2012 #577 of 634
    morac

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    I'd agree with all the above, but #1. Bandwidth is dirt cheap, even commercial bandwidth. This isn't the old days where a business rented out a T1 line. Businesses can get Internet from cable companies. That's what mine does with Comcast, who provides ridiculous speeds over fiber (technically it's enterprise service though, not business).

    Of note, there are some hotels that are now providing "premium" Internet service for people who want to do things like stream video and the like.
     
  18. Sep 7, 2012 #578 of 634
    crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    It sounds like you are just possibly disagreeing with HALF of #1. It is very, very possible the hotel he was using didn't have a lot of bandwidth.

    In any case, we have Cox. I have to pay over $600/mo for a paltry 3Mb/s of *quality* (guaranteed, symmetric, fiber) commercial bandwidth at work on the same carrier that I pay $45/mo for 35Mb/s at home... that is 156 times more expensive (Mb per dollar).

    If you scratch the "quality" part, above, and just threw in a cable modem, on a commercial account, is $160/mo for 15Mb/s (fastest they even offer)... that is 8.33 times more expensive (833%).

    It is all how you look at it. In some ways it is expensive, in others not.
     
  19. Sep 7, 2012 #579 of 634
    aaronwt

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    If bandwidth is that slow just tether it to a cell phone. Assuming it's unlimited. I've not run into any bandwidth issues at the hotels I've been in. But the WiFi service is typically not free each day and I'm also not in a different city every week like when I was traveling a lot. So I just probably have not run into one with bandwidth issues yet.

    The hotel at the federal agency I'm a contractor at has alot of bandwidth. It tested out faster than my old 35/35 FiOS connection, but of course that is the exception. But I have no issues consistently streaming from my Hava HD 10mb/s stream(with the registry hack) when I stay there. At a regular hotel I need to use the normal Hava 1Mb/s or less bitstream when I watch content from home.

    I'm looking forward to being able to use the TiVo stream at home with the new Kindle Fire HD. I just hope they come out with the Android app very soon. SInce the 7" Kindle Fire HD is coming out in a week. Hopefully the stream will be at BestBuy soon. Then I can use my reward zone dollars to pay for most of it. Of course I really want the TiVo Mini to come out.
     
  20. Sep 8, 2012 #580 of 634
    stinastina

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    How did you do that ?
     

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