I just ordered the stream. Pretty much got a Premiere because of that. . and Tivo treated me pretty nicely there (good price, no change to my subscription etc). of course I've been Tivoing for about 10years. . .I'm old school. I will def. keep an eye on this board. What I really want is to used my hacked Android 4g Phone to setup a hotspot for my ipad. . .or if I'm at starbucks or something . .and be able to watch shows. The biggest downside is this non-background downloading crap. I find that pretty weak.