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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Emacee, Apr 29, 2013.

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  1. Loach

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    Actually, gay marriage is legal in all 50 states. There is not a law on the books anywhere that will prevent you from having whatever marriage ceremony you want. The media talks about gay marriage "bans" because they like to make it sound like people are getting thrown in jail or something. But there are simply no gay marriage bans. There are just states that recognize gay marriage, and states that don't.
     
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    Here's an article with plenty of sources for you. I'm sure the gay marriage crowd will discount it all though, because all they care about is their mushy emotional arguments about "love" and "fairness".

    Yep, it's a great case for more heterosexual couples to get married.
     
  3. Davisadm

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  4. Dan203

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    That's such a BS argument! There are millions of hetrosexual couples that can't have biological children either, and yet they are allowed to get married. Why is that OK? Because their parts fit together? Because your book says it's OK? :rolleyes:

    Oh and FYI....
    http://news.yahoo.com/oregon-scientists-embryos-2-women-1-man-170407156.html
    Soon it will be possible for a lesbian couple to have a biological child. When that happens will you change your stance on them getting married? I'm guessing not.
     
  5. BigJimOutlaw

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    When I said the media bigots twist studies to make false comparisons, I was referring quite specifically to groups like Focus on the Family. And so now you have given me a link to a FOTF affiliate. And that link proves my exact point. So thank you.

    The studies don't need gay marriage supporters to discount them. They discount themselves. Well actually, only one of the studies linked to in that article is even working. And even though the FOTF article cherry-picks sentences from the study, they/you ignore the fact that the study admits outright that it did little to no examination of actual SS couples, and no married SS couples at all because the study is so old it pre-dates SSM. LOL.

    So thank you again for proving my point that they, and you as their proxy, twist inapplicable studies to fit an agenda.

    For those unaware, FOTF founder James Dobson claims gays will destroy the earth, gay marriage will lead to donkey-man marriage, and that women wait for their husbands to assume leadership. So clearly he's a down-the-middle sociological scholar with no agenda, whose groups can and should be cited in all credible discussions.
     
  6. magnus

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    And why not consenting cousins? As a society, where is the line drawn? What does this set of values show to our children?

    Aren't there laws on the books that don't allow cousins etc. to marry? What if they don't want to have kids? Should we as a society be bigots and prevent them from marrying then?

    Should we stop there? What about brothers and sisters? I know, everyone is thinking that's gross. Why is that anymore gross than what you are saying should be acceptable now?
     
  7. magnus

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    And just like the atheist that needs to stand up for their right to not believe.... A man (or woman) will eventually want to have their right to marry a donkey. :)
     
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    All such stories only mean is that there are weirdos everywhere. :)
     
  10. Dan203

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    There is a reason why immediate family memebers can't get married. The lack of genetic diversity can cause serious birth defects in any offspring. In this particular case it really is all about the children.

    I am so sick of hearing this argument! A marriage between two consenting adult humans is NOT the same thing as a human marrying an animal. Allowing the former does not mean we ever have to allow the latter. :rolleyes:
     
  11. magnus

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    But if that's he case then why do YOU have the right to be a bigot and not let them marry each other? Again, what if they don't want to have children? Who are they hurting then?

    If you're willing to say one thing is okay then why not the other? If the argument is that it's not your place to say who consenting adults can choose to marry then its not your place. Period.

    And seriously, why not polygamy? If we don't see any moral problems with these other things then why can't a person marry more than one person? It seems that we're only able to accept so much at one time but eventually even something like that will be accepted in our society.
     
  12. Dan203

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    I actually have no problem with family members getting married if they're both consenting adults. Live and let live.

    I don't have any problem with polygamy either, but in that case I can see where it would be an issue from a management perspective for the government. Also the potential for abuse would be much higher.

    My only moral objection to any of this is that there is an entire class of people being discriminiated against because of religious bigotry.
     
  13. magnus

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    I think that folks have other problems with this besides just the religious views.
     
  14. Dan203

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    Like what? It's "icky"? What do you, or anyone else, care what two consenting adults do with their lives?
     
  15. magnus

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    I care about what my children see as acceptable values for our society. I can't say what other people think about it but can only provide my opinion.

    I don't like shows on TV that depict things like this as normal acceptable behavior. This would include more than just gay and lesbian behavior. Our society has become more and more inundated with this and many other things as the norm.

    I could not stand president Clinton because not only was he a liar but he made a mockery of what is supposed to be the greatest job of influence in America.

    Yes, those are my opinions and its a free country. So, I'm allowed to have my opinions on the subject and you're not going to be able to change my mind any more than I'm going to be able to change yours. But I do have to wonder, where do we draw the line on what is acceptable as a society and when is it okay to stand up for morality (and not be labeled a bigot)?
     
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    If you don't think homosexual relationships are a good idea don't have one. Outside of religious dogma there is zero reasons for you, I, or anyone else to care if another person is in love with someone of the same sex or if they can get married under the eyes of the law.

    On the bigot thing while I don't believe not supporting gay marriage alone makes one a bigot, a bigot would have that view.
     
  17. MeInDallas

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    I'm always surprised at how threads like these go on and on and on and on.
     
  18. Loach

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    Yep, and they resolve nothing because people care more about winning the argument about their entrenched views than in actually considering anything anyone else writes.

    Of course, in a properly moderated forum this thread would have been locked a long time ago as it has turned into a political discussion, which is clearly prohibited in this section of the forum. Not that I didn't contribute to that tangent. Just sayin'.
     
  19. Loach

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    The studies are applicable in that they find advantages for children who benefit from having a married mother and father. A same-sex marriage can never provide that.

    As for your last paragraph, it's basically inaccurate and somewhat unintelligible leftist talking points about James Dobson and FOTF.
     
  20. BigJimOutlaw

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    LOL, no. You can't credibly claim it's applicable when it doesn't even study what we are talking about. Especially when it's so old it pre-dates what we are talking about.

    There is also nothing inaccurate about the quotes, as much as I'm sure you wish otherwise. So feigning dismissal due to left-wing agenda lacks credibility too.
     
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