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Jets Dump Tebo

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Emacee, Apr 29, 2013.

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  1. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

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    I guess I am guilty of assuming people were not living in a vacuum and knew about all the issues and/or accusations surrounding Tim Tebow, it has been going on now for several years.

    After all we are using computers and it doesn't take much to use Google to see the various opinions and accusations. While I tend to discount much of the hype around stuff like this posted on Internet sites or presented in 30 second sound bites, others don't and certainly can decided one way or the other what they believe to be true and not need to restate everything or post links to all the stuff they have read/viewed that led them to their opinion.
     
  2. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    The difference is he is expressing an opinion of one specific person not an entire group of people. You could call him judgmental, but not a bigot. Tebo, or at least the groups he associates with, are bigots toward the entire gay population.
     
  3. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

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    I really wish people wouldn't put words in my mouth. I haven't called anyone anything in any of my posts.

    However on a general note the reason I posted the definition of a bigot is because of posts like yours. If I say or even believe "Martians" (pick any group you like) are terrible/evil/etc. and that we shouldn't tolerate them - by definition that makes me a bigot.

    So if for some reason a person believes Tebo (or anyone) thinks Catholic's or Gays are terrible/etc. and shouldn't be tolerated then again by definition they believe he is a bigot. What the relevant question for others becomes is if that persons beliefs are based in reality/fact or not. Which is why I am fairly sure some people have questioned the opinions posted - however there is nothing new to be posted here that the general Internet discussion of the last few years hasn't talked about so at this point people believe what ever they want to believe.
     
  4. Loach

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    If you are referring to groups like Focus on the Family, which opposes gay marriage, then by your definition, at least half the population of the U.S. are bigots. By your definition, Barack Obama was a bigot until he "evolved" on the gay marriage issue.

    Edit: and can we at least start spelling the guy's name right? It's Tebow.
     
  5. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Yep, all of them are bigots! Anyone who thinks that two consenting adults do not have the right to get married because of their sexuality is no different then the people who opposed interracial marriage in the 60s.
     
  6. jsmeeker

    jsmeeker Notable Member TCF Club

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    Although I disagree with your view, you are entitled to it. I presume you are also OK with 3 consenting adults getting married? I mean, if 3 consenting adults really love each other, why shouldn't they be able to get married? Wouldn't you agree that 2 is just an arbitrary number?

    Interracial couples can produce children, by the way. Gay couples cannot. Every child has 1 mother and 1 father. That is a biological certainty.
     
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  9. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I don't personally care about plural marriage, but it would be a problem from a tax/legal perspective so I can understand why there is a 2 person limit.

    Why does marriage have anything to do with children? There are straight couples who get married late in life, well after they are capable of having children, and that's OK. My wife and I got married and we have no intention of ever having children, and that was OK. There are couples that get married knowing full well that one or the other is infertile and that's OK. There are also millions of children born to couples who are not married, some who barely even know one another, and that's OK. Having children and getting married are two completely separate things, neither requiring the other to be valid.

    Marriage is a contract that provides the two people involved certain tax/legal benefits. From that perspective there is absolutely no difference between a man/woman couple and a same sex couple. Any two consenting adults should be allowed to get married and afforded all the benefits that marriage provides.

    People who oppose same sex marriage do so either because of religious beliefs or because they think it's icky. Either way it's bigotry!
     
  10. Loach

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    We'll have to disagree that millions of children born outside of marriage is "OK". Studies have shown that children of married couples have generally better outcomes in many different areas, including poverty and substance abuse. The state's interest in promoting marriage is for the benefit of children.

    So gay people who oppose gay marriage are bigots too? Bigoted against themselves presumably?
     
  11. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I'm not saying it always turns out OK for the child, but in the eyes of the law it's OK.

    Yep, if such a person exists then he/she is also be a bigot. There is no logical reason to oppose gay marriage. Only religious/hate related reasons.

    Marriage is a legal contract, nothing more. Any two consenting adults should be able to enter into that contract and be afforded all the benefits that come along with it. Limiting it to two people of the opposite sex is simply unfair.
     
  12. Loach

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    The logical reason for opposition is that the rights of children should trump the right to children. And children do best with a mother and father.

    Anyway, my involvement in this thread was not really intended to ignite a debate about gay marriage, but rather to flush out the true rationale of the Tebow-haters. I think I've accomplished that. People hate Tebow because he holds Christian religious views. Hatred of Christianity is at the root of Tebow-hatred.
     
  13. StevesWeb

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    Gotta love that martyr card.
     
  14. BigJimOutlaw

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    That refrain loses more and more credibility over time. The people in the media it's loaned from either don't cite sources, or they've twisted studies to make a false comparison. While actual studies like ACHESS show no substantive difference among children raised by loving parents who are genuinely happy to have them, regardless of who the parents are.

    Sounds like a good case to support more couples getting married. :p :up:
     
  15. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Again what do children have to do with marriage? Plenty of hetrosexual couples get married, and reap all the benefits that entails, with no intention of having children. And plenty of homosexual couples that are not married either have or adopt children. The ONLY thing marriage does is provide certain tax/legal rights, none of which have anything to do with children.
     
  16. Davisadm

    Davisadm TiVo is awesome!!!!!

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    Back to the subject of Tim Tebo...

    Tim Teb has been sighed with the New England Patriots.
     
  17. slowbiscuit

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    It's Tebow fer cryin' out loud, even if you don't like him give him the courtesy of a correct name spelling.
     
  18. hairyblue

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    How about Christians can marry who they want and love and if you are not Christian you can not write laws to stop them. It doesn't have anything to do with you. If marrying the opposite sex is against your religion, then YOU don't do it. Don't right laws to stop people in love from getting married.

    Or something like that.

    This is America, Tebow should be able to marry who he loves.
     
  19. jsmeeker

    jsmeeker Notable Member TCF Club

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    Tim Tebow is gay? Wow.

    Awesome! :up:
     
  20. Loach

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    What do children have to do with marriage? I guess nothing if you live your life like an alley cat. The legal and tax rights of marriage that are built into the federal code were written specifically for the purpose of protecting children and easing the financial burden on their parents. To say marriage has nothing to do with children is laughable.

    Let me know when a same-sex couple gives birth to their first biological child.
     
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