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Jeopardy: Just Noticed This

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by waynomo, Jun 3, 2013.

  1. Aug 5, 2013 #121 of 866
    aaronwt

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    People seem to be making a bigger deal out of it then it is. Either way he would have lost. And he seems more of a loser now for whining about it. He misspelled it, move on. He lost no matter what. Why should he be special. The kid who won it spelled it correctly.
     
  2. Aug 5, 2013 #122 of 866
    waynomo

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    Really . . .

    In Jeopardy under the category of "Point"ed items we have a $400/$600 clue.

    An issue regarded as potentially debatable, but no longer practically applicable.

    What is Moot Point?
     
  3. Aug 5, 2013 #123 of 866
    logic88

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    How 'bout bad penmanship? Some of the answers (from other shows, not this one) seem close to being illegible. Is there a rule about using block letters in FJ?
     
  4. Aug 5, 2013 #124 of 866
    whitson77

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    I didn't think Alex was a jerk or smug at all. He probably could have omitted the "badly" but his tone was certainly not rude IMO.
     
  5. Aug 5, 2013 #125 of 866
    waynomo

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    Agree.

    I am impressed at how good AT is as host. There is a lot of subtlety to what he does. He keeps several balls going while do a bit of improv.

    I also like that he appears to be the world's smartest man. He reads the correct answers or whatever like he always knew it.
     
  6. Aug 5, 2013 #126 of 866
    astrohip

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    I watch every episode, every day. I love J! For a while, I was even playing Coryats.

    The reason deer/dear is fair is because them be the rules. Spelling doesn't matter as long as the word is the same. Misspellings only matter if the pronunciation would be different. Like emanciptation.

    If they can read it, it counts. They have judges for this reason (among others). I'm surprised sometimes how lenient they are on writing.
    This drives my wife nuts. She hates how he always knows the answer. She once said he probably stays up the night before reading all the answers (questions).:D
     
  7. Aug 6, 2013 #127 of 866
    waynomo

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    LOL! Yes, I am sure he rehearses. He has to be familiar with the clues. Also he needs to get the pronunciation correct, etc.
     
  8. Aug 6, 2013 #128 of 866
    waynomo

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    I get that. I was just thinking about the "Alice in Wonderland" scenario where it was published under two different names so either would be correct. However, with the movie Deer Hunter, it was published under that name. It was not published under Dear Hunter.

    To me it seems that it should be one way or the other. But the show has worked with the current rules for 30 years or so, so it's not a big deal. Just my thinking. I also hate it when the worst player wins, but that is part of what makes Jeopardy Jeopardy.
     
  9. Aug 6, 2013 #129 of 866
    waynomo

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    Funny that this came up again tonight. And I think the contestant knew it the second her answer was revealed judging by her reaction. If anything her answer was more correct than the kids the other night.

    Of course for a teacher to have a spelling error; tsk, tsk. She should have proofread her answer.

    Wrote "Waitin" instead of "Waiting"
     
  10. Aug 6, 2013 #130 of 866
    logic88

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    So the kid made a mistake by using block letters instead of cursive!
     
  11. Aug 6, 2013 #131 of 866
    Turtleboy

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    I'm not sure why it's a huge story - he would have lost anyway.
     
  12. Aug 6, 2013 #132 of 866
    Turtleboy

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    The most important tactic I learned from J! is never give someone's first name unless it is required. If you give only the last name they will say it's correct. But if you give an incorrect first name, you get it wrong.
     
  13. Aug 6, 2013 #133 of 866
    waynomo

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    Agreed. However, how easy do you think it would be implement this in real life? I think our natural inclination is to think of people with a first and last name so it wants to come out that way. Also there is the added time pressure of needing to produce the answer quickly. All these things come into play to make this more difficult than it might seem. (IMO) I think it would take some training to not do that. I know I would practice extensively before hand to minimize this habit.
     
  14. Aug 6, 2013 #134 of 866
    waynomo

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    astrohip - Do they give you extra time if you need to come up with the first name?

    The situation I am thinking about is when the person struggles a bit coming up with the name so they finish just before the buzzer rings, but only gives the last name and the answer needs a first name to be correct. In that situation do they give the contestants a few more seconds? If so, how many more?
     
  15. Aug 6, 2013 #135 of 866
    astrohip

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    QFT. They will always accept it unless there is some ambiguity with a last name only. But if you blurt out "Alfred Einstein" when "Einstein" would have sufficed... bzzz. No mo' money.

    Here's what I've seen, and that doesn't make it gospel. Sometimes a contestant will say an answer that's not incorrect, but not clearly the full answer they are looking for. It could be they only give a last name where the judges are looking for a full name. Or it could be just part of the answer. Maybe the contestant said "Boer" and they are looking for "Boer War". Alex will often look at the judges for a ruling. If the contestant jumps in with the correct answer before the judges rule, it is often accepted.

    Having said this... the shows are edited. We have no idea what might have actually happened but was cut from the broadcast. For all we know, they actually asked the contestant for a better answer.


    BTW, summer hiatus now. Repeats until next season, which should be in a few weeks. Rumor has it we will see a new set design this year.

    Jboard.tv, the Jeopardy forum, has a daily thread on each show. And more often than not, the actual contestants will chime in. You learn some interesting things. Like how much easier it is to win sitting at home.:D
     
  16. Aug 6, 2013 #136 of 866
    Honora

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    Regarding the editing, I've always wondered about those instances where Alex says that the judges had checked and found that a previous response that had been deemed incorrect should have been accepted. Does the contestant question it and they edit that out? Otherwise why would they recheck their sources?

    Does anybody know?
     
  17. Aug 6, 2013 #137 of 866
    waynomo

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    I don't know, but I always got the impression that the judges are constantly checking especially when someone comes up with an answer they didn't expect. Of course it goes both ways. That Alex will hear an answer as correct, but the contestant has slightly pronounced it wrong. Somewhere there was an example of someone answering "Wimbleton" instead of "Wimbledon." "Ton" was incorrect, but Alex gave him credit. They later deducted points for an incorrect response.

    I don't think the contestants get a protest vote, but I could be wrong about that.
     
  18. Aug 6, 2013 #138 of 866
    waynomo

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    Sort of.

    I saw a taping over 10 years ago. I don't think the procedure has changed. From the beginning of the show till the end of Double Jeopardy the show is taped in real time. They pause the taping before Final Jeopardy begins so the contestants have time to get their wagers correct.

    As explained before the tapings that I witnessed, they don't want the contestants to screw up their wager for this critical round. They bring in consultants that help the contestants make a proper wager. How much help is debated. I know they at least make sure they don't wager more money than they have.
     
  19. Aug 7, 2013 #139 of 866
    doom1701

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    It's probably just because I come from the home of John Deere, and because my family's livelihood (and that of most of my friends) has come from working for Deere directly or indirectly...but if someone spelled in "John Dear" and it was accepted, I'd be ready to punch someone in the face four or five times. :)
     
  20. Aug 7, 2013 #140 of 866
    nickels

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    I just fully watched the episode from last Wed. where the kid added the extra T on final Jeopardy. All I took from it was that Alex T handled it like a toolbag. "Wow that spelling was pathetic you little idiot!" - he may as well have said it like that, the kid added one letter (and Mr "Know it all" actually said he added a 'P' instead of a 'T', dummy). If you watched through the credits, as a parent it was heartbreaking. That kid's chin was quivering and you could tell by his face that he was very upset and trying not to cry. Alex made him look like a fool.

    The only thing missing from making this episode epic is if the winner would have pulled a Clavin (as mentioned earlier). His cocky bet could have gone horribly wrong. Damn so close!
     

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