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Jeopardy: Just Noticed This

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by waynomo, Jun 3, 2013.

  1. Jul 14, 2013 #61 of 866
    trainman

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    Very little of the original 1960s/1970s run of "Jeopardy!" survives, but they did save a clip from a celebrity match in which Gene Shalit buzzes in and answers "the NBC peacock," gets reminded by Art Fleming to phrase it in the form of a question, and then says, "Has anyone around here seen the NBC peacock?" He's counted correct.

    The contestant who was recently an 8-day champ answered most questions involving place names as "where is ______?", even though the clue wording almost always calls for a "what is ______?" (In the sense that "this U.S. state's capital is Sacramento," for example, elicits a "what.")
     
  2. Jul 14, 2013 #62 of 866
    busyba

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    Ha! Love it! :D
     
  3. Jul 15, 2013 #63 of 866
    Roadblock

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    I think the "this game" wording was very clear, and the reason the other contestants got it wrong was that they just couldn't come up with the full name of the game.
     
  4. Jul 15, 2013 #64 of 866
    MauriAnne

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    The question was clear to me, but I couldn't come up with the full name of the game either!!
     
  5. Jul 15, 2013 #65 of 866
    waynomo

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    I see your points and understand and pretty much agree.

    Where I am getting hung up a bit is the subject of the sentence is "princess."

    "The title princess of this game, which launched a best-selling franchise was named for F. Scott Fitzgerald's wife."

    It's a very subtle nuance.

    I think either answer can be correct. What you are saying that "Zelda" is just too easy. I thought the answer was "Zelda", but I also thought of the name "Legend of Zelda" while thinking about it. I never once suspected they wanted the name of the game.
     
  6. Jul 15, 2013 #66 of 866
    nickels

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    To side track even further...
    I missed a few eps last week, so I don't know if the guy is still on, but the current champion is a world class a-hole when it comes to picking answers. Most people go from the top to the bottom, but not this guy. Give me this for 800, give me that for 400, give me this for 1000.
    That style of random order picking gets on my last nerve when watching the show.

    I hope he lost last week. I didn't like him one bit. Although he did seem to hit the double-jeopardy squares very early and often using that annoying style.
     
  7. Jul 15, 2013 #67 of 866
    vman41

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    Seems to me he only did that until the daily double was found. I think the strategy is that the lower payoff of finding it early is more that offset by the benefit of the higher odds of you being the one to find it.
     
  8. Jul 15, 2013 #68 of 866
    astrohip

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    It is subtle, but Jeopardy is very specific in how they phrase the answers. And since the two that answered "Zelda" missed, either answer is *not* correct.

    First, let me agree. It drives me absolute ape-sh*t when people do that. Part of my OCD makeup, I suppose.:rolleyes:

    Having said that... people do it for the very reason you mention, they are hunting the DD's. Getting them out of the way eliminates the possibility of a competitor using it to zoom past you.

    Still drives me nuts though. STOP IT! :D Oh, and he finally lost.
     
  9. Jul 15, 2013 #69 of 866
    busyba

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    It used to be that the DD would never be in the top or bottom rows, but that's no longer the case.

    Now that the DD can be anywhere, I don't think the scattershot strategy improves the chances of hitting the DD anymore.
     
  10. Jul 15, 2013 #70 of 866
    MarkofT

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    I think I see the issue. "Princess" isn't the subject of a sentence. "Game" is the subject, "title princess" is a prepositional phrase modifying "this game".
     
  11. Jul 15, 2013 #71 of 866
    busyba

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    No, if you strip out everything but subject/verb, you get "The princess [subject] was named [verb]"

    "of this game" and "for F. Scott Fitzgerald's wife" are prepositional phrases, the first modifying the subject and the second serving as the object of the sentence.


    But none of that is relevant to what the correct Jeopardy clue response should be.
     
  12. Jul 15, 2013 #72 of 866
    mattack

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    Can you give me a summary of how much exists? Days? Weeks?

    I remember reading a very detailed list of what of the 1970s Hollywood Squares remains, though IIRC, that was slightly out of date since they subsequently found some more.

    Not like I'm actually going to go search for it, but I think it'd be interesting to see entire shows of the original Jeopardy!

    BTW, I don't think it was unclear. It probably could have been worded BETTER, but I do think it's typical of the Jeopardy style wording.

    I can't think of other "question styles", but every once in a while while watching the show, I wonder if it were worded in a different way, if they'd accept it.
    (I probably would do the "Que es .." form for Spanish answers/questions.)
     
  13. Jul 15, 2013 #73 of 866
    mattack

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    Wait, he was the BEST Daily Double finder ever! I think I might try his technique if I'm ever on. Even simply starting at 600 and going up seemed to work.

    (I also notice when people start on the RIGHT end, since Alex mentioned long ago that people usually go left->right.)
     
  14. Jul 16, 2013 #74 of 866
    waynomo

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    I can't recall ever seeing a DD in the top row.

    If I were a contestant I would be hunting DDs.

    Finding the DD whenever is a big advantage.

    I am surprised how few people make it a true DD, during the first round when they still have a relatively low score. Unless you are really unfamiliar with a category, I think you should always do this up to 3000 points give or take a few.

    I'm pretty sure the second place contestant on Friday wagered pretty close to 10,000 on his DD. It did put him in the lead which I believe he maintained until FJ when he gave the name of the princess and not the name of the game. :(
     
  15. Jul 16, 2013 #75 of 866
    waynomo

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    lol. I was talking real world, not Jeopardy world. I don't pay all that close attention to the nuances of the questions. It's usually not an issue. I guess after I watch a few more hundred shows I will understand Jeopardy's secret language a bit better.

    BTW - I just want to state for the record pretty much no matter what the category I would wager zero dollars on FJ. I don't keep track, but I think I know the answer less than 10% of the time.
     
  16. Jul 16, 2013 #76 of 866
    Honora

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    Ken Jennings rarely got a Final Jeopardy. I think the only times he did were the very rare occasions when he didn't go into FJ safe (with more than twice #2's total).
     
  17. Jul 16, 2013 #77 of 866
    scooterboy

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    You'd definitely get away with it if you did it in french.

    Alex loooooves his french.
     
  18. Jul 16, 2013 #78 of 866
    busyba

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    He apparently is rather fond of his spanish as well. Yesterday I heard him pronounce "Nicaragua" like he was Speedy freaking Gonzalez. :D
     
  19. Jul 16, 2013 #79 of 866
    lambertman

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    Don't have to put too much effort in.

    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF1C5XNIggc[/media]

    (that's a 1974 ep and, for me, the 2000th ep from 1972 is on the sidebar. There are others, but that's probably enough to tide you over.)
     
  20. Jul 16, 2013 #80 of 866
    astrohip

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    I'm not sure this is correct. I do know he was a lock on 65 out of 75 shows, which is incredible. But that doesn't mean he didn't get most of those 65 locks correct.

    But I can't find this out from searching, so I don't know this for a fact.
     

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