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Jeopardy: Just Noticed This

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by waynomo, Jun 3, 2013.

  1. Feb 5, 2014 #221 of 940

    mattack Active Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    But when I know the answer (I'd say a huge proportion of the time -- that does NOT mean I'd actually do well on the show), I know it while Alex is still reading the question (and of course you can't ring in successfully then).
  2. Feb 5, 2014 #222 of 940

    busyba The Funcooker

    Feb 5, 2003
    So I went and watched just the Chu episodes, and I have even less of an idea of what the hell people are whining about.

    Tell you what though... the blond guy on the second episode, he had "serial killer" written all over him. :eek:
  3. Feb 6, 2014 #223 of 940

    MauriAnne Mostly lurking

    Sep 20, 2002
    I was surprised they accepted Ag (rather than Silver) for the Final Jeopardy answer on Wednesday's show. Did that seem odd to anyone else?
  4. Feb 6, 2014 #224 of 940

    Turtleboy Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Mar 24, 2001
    Ft. Lauderdale
    I was surprised they accepted "silver" instead of Ag.

    Edit: "Of the element symbols that don't match the element's English name, this element's symbol is alphabetically 1st."

    Hmm, "this element's symbol" probably should be silver.
  5. Feb 6, 2014 #225 of 940

    lambertman To see you, Nice

    Dec 20, 2002
    Producers would probably love a do-over in filling those three spots of the battle of the '80s. What a dreary game.

    Anyone notice the frequent edits after Cordray wrong answers? Wonder what was happening there.
  6. Feb 6, 2014 #226 of 940

    Honora Member

    Oct 16, 2006
    I don't know what was going on, but I read in a newspaper article that because he is the Director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau he cannot take the prize money or donate it to a charitable organization. The money that he did win stayed with Jeopardy.

    So, he actually was playing for the fun of it.
  7. Feb 6, 2014 #227 of 940

    lambertman To see you, Nice

    Dec 20, 2002
    Huh. So Jeopardy was playing with a 1-in-45 chance that they wouldn't give away the million?

    Seems to me like they should've given the spot to someone else. Wonder if they'd contacted Bruce Seymour (Super Jeopardy! winner from '90)?
  8. Feb 6, 2014 #228 of 940

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Jan 6, 2003
    Houston &...
    It's just ambiguous enough in its wording (which is unusual for them) that they would accept either as the answer. Initially, I was surprised too, but upon rereading the actual clue, realized element or symbol could be correct.
  9. Feb 6, 2014 #229 of 940

    MikeMar Go Pats

    Jan 7, 2005
    Well couldn't Jeopardy on it's OWN donate the Million to charity if that guy won it all? Just more for good will than anything!
  10. DeDondeEs

    DeDondeEs Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Feb 20, 2004
    Las Vegas, NV
    Just watched an interview with Chu. I've never understood why most people just go down the board in order. If there is a subject you know about why not go for the highest value first and work your way down in value? If you can get a few of those high dollar clues under your belt you can be less risky on the lower value clues in categories you aren't familiar with.

    Although from what I've heard a good portion of winning Jeopardy is hitting the button at the right time. But if it is a subject you know well and it is a high value clue your opponents may hesitate a little more before quickly hitting the button.

    IIRC didn't Watson bounce around the board a lot as well?
  11. trainman

    trainman Nice to see you

    Jan 29, 2001
    It's not always obvious what the category is "really" about based on the category title. Also, sometimes there's a "trick" to the category that only becomes obvious after 1 or 2 of the clues have been revealed. In that case, it would be better to "waste" the lower-value clues rather than start at the bottom with the high-value clues.

    I'm not saying Arthur Chu is doing something wrong, though -- you can't argue with results.
  12. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

    Feb 5, 2003
    The only tactic I don't understand the point of is his playing for the tie. He got the tie in the second game, and he would have tied the first game too if his opponent hadn't gotten FJ wrong.

    I don't see what he has to gain by playing against the same person twice, especially since familiarity with the buzzer timing is a significant advantage for the champion.

    Unless he's just trying to dick over the producers by making them pay out double the cash. :)
  13. Jonathan_S

    Jonathan_S Well-Known Member

    Oct 23, 2001
    From what I understand it's a hedge against getting matched up against an amazing, Ken Jennings level, new player next time. You already feel comfortable competing against the person you aimed to tie with. So game theory says you halve your chance of getting a vastly better player next time by carrying over a known opponent. (Only one new player instead of two)

    Now, if you thought you'd beaten them only by luck, then you wouldn't try for the tie, you'd aim to beat them in the hopes that neither of the next players would be better. But that's apparently not normally the case.
  14. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

    Feb 5, 2003
    Okay, that makes sense.

    I suppose it comes down to whether the statistical gain you get from avoiding the extra opponent of indeterminate skill is enough to outweigh the statistical loss you get from not getting the extra opponent who is unfamiliar with the buzz-in timing.

    And figuring that out would involve levels of math beyond my particular skill set. :)

    But if that's an accepted optimal strategy, then I suppose someone already did the math on that.
  15. mattack

    mattack Active Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    The Daily Double clues *tend* (no citation provided, hopefully someone else has done the analysis) to be the higher value clues. So banking up the money from the lower value clues lets one have more money to wager on Daily Double clues.
  16. waynomo

    waynomo My One Time TCF Club

    Nov 9, 2002
    Your observation is correct. However, there is the advantage of taking them out of play so your opponents can't get them.
  17. rifleman69

    rifleman69 Member

    Jan 6, 2005

  18. tiassa

    tiassa Me --Avatar

    Jul 2, 2008
    Also since the answers in a given category don't repeat, it is useful to at least see the easier clues, so that you can eliminate those answers when trying to solve the later clues.

    Were I ever on Jeopardy (taken the test twice, to no avail), I'd go "top to bottom" for that reason alone.
  19. Boot

    Boot to the head TCF Club

    Mar 15, 2000
    I've definitely seen answers repeated in the same category.
  20. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

    Feb 5, 2003
    Yeah, I saw it happen recently (within the last month or two) and was very surprised. Up until then I thought that was something they didn't do.

    I forget exactly what it was, but I think all the answers were colors or something with a similarly small set of finite possibilities.

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