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I've had a Tivo mini for two hours, and here are my thoughts...

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by redbeard25, Mar 14, 2013.

  1. jcthorne

    jcthorne Active Member

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    Its likely the video hardware driving the image is different. The streams are the same, the Premiere does not re-encode the stream at all.

    The mini might be loosing bits due to speed of data transfer.
     
  2. NotNowChief

    NotNowChief Addicted to TiVo

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    I will test over the weekend on some different TVs in differnet rooms and see if I notice the same.
     
  3. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

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    The bitstream should pretty much be identical... the most likely explanation for any perceived difference in PQ would be the previously mentioned different silicon in the Mini vs the Premiere. Also, as mentioned, if you aren't watching both devices on matched inputs on the same TV, the subjective feel of a degraded picture could be just that, subjective opinion.
     
  4. Davisadm

    Davisadm TiVo is awesome!!!!!

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    Swap the inputs. Plug the Mini into where you currently have the THD HDMI input, and visa versa. See if there is a difference.
     
  5. BigJimOutlaw

    BigJimOutlaw Active Member

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    It's a bit-for-bit transfer, it's just outputting differently. It's a different device and TV, so that's to be expected. Calibration is always a good idea.

    Back when I first got the Elite I dumped a couple of the AVS HD 709 videos onto it for calibration (the included THX video was too simple for my liking.) I'm going to stream the videos to the Mini to calibrate the other TV.
     
  6. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Active Member

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    I would if possible swap it with your 4 tuner model. This way you can see how the Mini compares when used on the same input and the same TV as the 4.
     
  7. SOCATivo

    SOCATivo New Member

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    Random questions....

    1. Do you know where TiVo ship from? I want a mini and want to know how long it will take to get here...

    2. Does the mini output THX certified sound (from my XL4)?

    3. Anyone used with ethernet over powerline? I have an AppleTV running XBMC and it works OK, but if the mini uses more bandwidth then maybe I will run into problems.

    Thanks!!
     
  8. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

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    Mine shipped from Texas. It was here in Colorado two days later via regular ground shipping. I imagine they have warehouses in several places it might ship from any of them.

    It is not "THX certified". Whether that means you can tell any difference in the sound quality is another question entirely.

    I'm running MoCA. Don't you have coax where the Mini would go? If powerline can give you 30-40mbps performance without problems then it should be more than enough to service a Mini.
     
  9. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    It is a set of standards, but the certified product has to be designed to meet those standards.
     
  10. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I used powerline for streaming between two TiVos for a while. It worked OK. However the FF/RW were really jumpy and hard to control. I switched to MoCa and it's a lot better.

    Edit: The powerline modules I was using were older AV200 ones. The newer AV500 ones might work better.
     
  11. magnus

    magnus Tivo User

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    The boxes (Tivos) that I have purchased in the past come from Ft. Worth, Texas. They usually get to me the next day (Dallas).
     
  12. overFEDEXed

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    I just tried my Old Actiontec HLE08500-01K HPE100T 85Mbps Powerline Ethernet Adapters. They work pretty good. They don't make this model any more.

    I know that I have had these for years, but I figured that I would give them a try and report back so....

    UPDATE. After more playing around, it is now freezing up. I will move the adapters around and report again. The Hulu+ do not act this way. It was fine.
     
  13. SOCATivo

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    Thanks Dan. The ones I have are AV200 also :(

    Maybe I will try MoCa. I do have a cable line there but I'll have to split it (I presume).
     
  14. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

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    Why would you need to split it? You plug the coax into your Mini and you turn on MoCA on the Premiere, which, it would be assumed already has internet connectivity via ethernet or wireless.
     
  15. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    You'll need to split it if you still want cable running directly to the TV. There is no passthrough port on the Mini.
     
  16. jmpage2

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    I guess I fail to see the rationale behind hooking up a Mini which has access to all cable channels and also needing to hook up a coax cable to the TV for legacy tuning. In many markets this won't even work because they've eliminated any non encrypted digital channels from being available without a tuning box.
     
  17. SOCATivo

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    Dan is right, and you are right. But my wife/kids will get really confused if they use the TV remote and there's nothing on the channels. Plus there's also the (admittedly slim) chance that the 4 TiVo tuners are in use downstairs and someone wants to watch upstairs.

    So I will first try to use the 200MB link, then if that fails MoCa and split it...
     
  18. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

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    Well my wife is fairly tech-illiterate and even she knows that we don't get channels on the TV tuners any more.

    Besides, you can simply put the TV remote away and program the TiVo remote for the Mini to operate your TV. If all the tuners on your Elite are in use then they can still watch the gobs of recorded stuff that is likely to be on there.
     
  19. SOCATivo

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    Well, we do get channels on the TV. Some analog ones from the cable and also clear QAM.

    I'll have remotes for the mini, receiver, Apple TV (xbmc) and TV now. I will probably need to sort out something there...
     
  20. Ken R

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    I'm about ready to pull the trigger and re-enter the TIVO world after 5 or 6 years of having to give it up. (Went Verizon FIOS as soon as it came out . . . hate their DVR user interface).

    One of my concerns is the speed of channel surfing. Right now, my Fios channel changing is pretty quick. A few months ago, though, it was taking up to eleven seconds to change up or down one channel. Then, a new firmware was downloaded into the DVR and channel changing is good again. But it has made me a little gun-shy now, knowing how slow channel changes can be.

    So is channel changing with the TIVO and especially via the TiVo Mini acceptable?

    Ken
     

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