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iTiVo (TiVo -> mac -> iPhone)

Discussion in 'TiVo Home Media Features & TiVoToGo' started by Yoav, Nov 6, 2008.

  1. Dec 5, 2008 #81 of 741
    fatespawn

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    Divide by zero seems good now on my G5/10.4.

    I see the Handbrake option is only for 10.5 - is that going to be final? I'll try a iphone/comskip download and report the results.

    I like the new "phase" reporting.

    -fate
     
  2. Dec 5, 2008 #82 of 741
    Yoav

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    I'm using the handbrakecli that is distributed by the handbrake team. I didn't build it from scratch (just made it universal). Their build claims to be 10.5-only. I don't enforce it, but I'm guessing the binary doesn't run on 10.4

    If you can find a new build of handbrakecli which is 10.4 universal, I'd be happy to use it instead
     
  3. Dec 5, 2008 #83 of 741
    cuyahoga

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    Warwick...
    Started playing with the elgato turbo.264 output and have some observations.

    -The handoff from the download of the file to the turbo.264 encoder/transcoder works. The last time I tried it, this part failed so this is good.

    -The encoding option defaults to iPod High. There is no way to change it in the turbo.264 software once encoding begins. So, what happens is that the turbo.264 software gets the video from iTivo and immediately starts to encode on the first option listed in the drop down list of turbo.264, which is iPod High.

    There is not an option to set a default preset in the application preferences. Sounds like more of an el gato feature request rather than an iTivo bug, but I sure wish the iPhone preset was selected rather than the iPod High preset.

    -Metadata about the particular tv show are not preserved going from iTivo to turbo.264. If I have iTiVo perform the entire job, all of the metadata are present. If I go the turbo.264 route, no metadata. Again, this may very well have something to do with the turbo.264 software.

    Let me know if there is anything else I should try.
     
  4. Dec 5, 2008 #84 of 741
    Yoav

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    Hey thanks! (As you can tell i've been busy trying to get 10.4 working and completely dropped the ball on ElGato).

    I was hoping that the elgato encoder defaulted to 'last value used' for the setting, so that you can run it manually, change the settings, and then let iTiVo do its thing.
    There *IS* a way to force it to encode with particular resolution choices (it has to be one of 'ipod high, ipod standard, sony psp, appletv, iphone' when you invoke the encoder). I just didn't want to create another 5 download formats to support each individually....

    Can you tell me if it saves the last format used? Would it help if I left the application running after the encode is done?

    I'm not sure about the metadata though. I have no clue what turbo.264 does with it :(
     
  5. Dec 5, 2008 #85 of 741
    Yoav

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    Ok just checked in a change that will let you specify in advanced options (under video encoder) one of
    ipodH , ipod, psp, appleTV, iPhone
    and if none are specified, it will default to using whatever the program already has.

    Also, re-enabling comskip since we can use the same hack we're using for handbrake.
     
  6. Dec 8, 2008 #86 of 741
    Yoav

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    Ermm, a large bunch of people downloaded the beta. Not sure why (guessing it got posted somewhere?).

    Anyways, I just uploaded the 1.6 release. Includes all the changes from the beta, and seems more useful. Key features are *actually working* on 10.4, and support for handbrake (10.5 only there.. sorry). As well as 'prettifying' the list a bit and including more info.
     
  7. Dec 8, 2008 #87 of 741
    Fofer

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    I concede I may be a bit slow, but the pie chart (for how space is being used) isn't very clear to me. I have a 750 GB drive, and I surmise it's close to full simply because my "Deleted Folder" doesn't retain everything I delete for very long. (Should it, or do items disappear regardless after some period of time?)

    Anyway, I don't have interest in marking everything I have "Save Until I Delete." I would, however, be a bit interested to know just when my oldest expired recording is most likely of being deleted on it's own. Is there some other gauge here to let me know, just how much "free" space is left right now... how much elbow room I have?

    Perhaps percentage as an option instead of GB would help. I guess I'm looking at the pie chart trying to make sense of it to answer the "real world" question posed above, and I can't figure it out.

    I'll upload a screenshot of my graph when I get back home.
     
  8. Dec 8, 2008 #88 of 741
    Yoav

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    I'm not familiar exactly how it determines when to really delete things, but if you turned off suggestions, I assume it's when it actually needs the space (someone else can chime in?).

    One thing I would check is that it's reporting almost 750G at the top under 'used'. If it isn't, then click on the number and edit it to be 750. (There is no way for me to know how big the HD is, so either you set it, or else you turn on suggestions and let the hard drive fill.. it will remember how much got used).

    Your 'wiggle' room is the gray piece of the pie. Then the 'expired' should be deleted when needed, then expiring soon, etc...
     
  9. Dec 8, 2008 #89 of 741
    AquaX

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    You're correct.

    Make sure you edit it to about 93% of drive size, as drives are advertised in decimal notation, but computers (and TiVos) actually use drives in binary. See this Wikipedia page for some more info.

    My 1TB drive becomes about 930GB of total usable space. A 200GB drive would be 186GB. A drive advertised as 750GB has 698GB of usable space.
     
  10. Dec 10, 2008 #90 of 741
    fatespawn

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    Yoav,

    On my G5 10.4 mac, I am still having difficulty encoding to .mp4. I have "iphone" and edit commercials selected. The download is successful, and the comskip seems successful, but when the encoding phase begins, everything bogs down. It's reporting 180+ minutes remaining. My G5 may be yesterday's Mac, but it's not THAT slow. Here's a sample of the output file iTivo is giving me.

    [​IMG]

    Not very pretty. I'll try some other presets - disabling comskip etc. and see if anything changes. I don't have a log file because I couldn't wait the 3 hours for the total encode.
     
  11. Dec 10, 2008 #91 of 741
    Fofer

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    Thanks guys. I edited it to say 698 and now this is what I get:

    [​IMG]

    I still don't have a real handle on just how much free space that gray slice equates to (ie: in terms of real world recording) but at least I know I have "some" wiggle room, I suppose.
     
  12. Dec 10, 2008 #92 of 741
    Yoav

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    Here is what you can surmise:

    You are using up 'approximately' 632G of hard drive space for your shows (tivo does a lot of weird rounding). You claim your hard drive is 698G. The tivo uses up some <unknown> amount of space for its own data.. lets pretend that's 20G.

    So you have about 40G unused space on your hard drive.

    Assuming all your shows in the future take up around 2G per hour (yeah another number I made up), you can now be *SURE* that you have 20 hours of free space left (sarcasm intentional).

    Sadly, there's no useful metric other than approximation for how much real space you have left. The pie chart should give you a 'feel' of about how much you have left, and that's intentional -- it's very very approximate. There are a lot of variables, including the bitrate of the show (determined by your cable company for digital channels, determined by you for analogue). How much *actual* space we have free (no way to ask the tivo that), and how much space will be freed as you record.
     
  13. Dec 10, 2008 #93 of 741
    Fofer

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    Gotcha, and thanks.

    The top line, with the user editable space, should say "Total Capacity" and not "Used," IMHO. (That's what was confusing me a bit, I think.)

    Also, can you tell me how you arrived at the "approximately 632G" number in your post above? In other words, what line items are you looking at and/or adding up to arrive at 632?

    With that said, perhaps there could be another line item that says: "total used*" so users don't need to do the math in their heads.

    I'd even go so far as to say, I'd appreciate another line item that says "total free*" that was the mathematical result of 698 (my entered HD capacity) minus the number above, minus 20G (pretend number for TiVo's own data.)

    *approximate
     
  14. Dec 10, 2008 #94 of 741
    Yoav

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    Ok, I'm fearful that people will actually *use* those numbers and believe them. They really are complete estimates. The "Used" field is just 'largest sum of all the show sizes I have seen so far", and the gray area is simply "whatever is left if you change that sum to another value.

    Which is why I'm trying to avoid the word 'capacity', which most people will assume to mean 'hard drive space on the tivo' (to which I will then get 50 bug reports as to how it's not the correct value).

    I guess I need a word for that which is neither 'capacity' nor 'used' but I can't think of one :(...

    Honestly, iTiVo is *not* the tool to use if you really want to know how much hard drive space you have free. Use that drawer to get a 'general feel' for how close to full your tivo is....
     
  15. Dec 10, 2008 #95 of 741
    Fofer

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    I see. Interesting situation.

    Well, even a "total" line item at the bottom of that list would help my brain out. Even just a tiny bit. :eek: And it'd be nice if I had the option to omit the "Suggestions" from that total (as a user configurable preference) since I kinda consider those in the same vein as deleted shows (ie: not taking up "real" space.)
     
  16. Dec 10, 2008 #96 of 741
    Yoav

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    Ok. I'll add a Total and a 'wiggle'.. although should wiggle just include unallocated and suggestions? or should it also include 'expired'?
     
  17. Dec 10, 2008 #97 of 741
    Fofer

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    I think just unallocated and suggestions. As far as the way I've seen nearly every TiVo being used and enjoyed, folks have plenty of "expired" shows that they fully intend to watch. Hence the reason for the "free space anxiety" in the first place.
     
  18. Dec 11, 2008 #98 of 741
    smoknyreyz

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    Sorry if this has already been posted, I searched the thread and didn't see it. When using visual hub for dvd conversion there is a preset for Apple TV 5.1 to get dolby digital audio. It seems my conversions with this software using the Apple TV preset are only stereo. What settings should I use to get dolby digital 5.1 from my HD conversions for Apple TV?
     
  19. Dec 11, 2008 #99 of 741
    Yoav

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    Visual Hub for AppleTV?
    I'm pretty sure you're posting in the wrong thread... (I don't know anything about visual hub, although someone may chime in).

    If you mean handbrake.. You may want to ask on the handbrake forums.. If I recall correctly appleTVs are kind of dumb and only support prologic instead of discrete (although that may have been changed).
     
  20. smoknyreyz

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    Visual Hub is another conversion utility for the mac, it's much like handbrake. Apple TV's do support 5.1 dolby digital audio after the Apple TV 2.0 update. I searched through another forum last night (not the tivo community forum) and discovered that the new version of handbrake allows ac3 passthrough which works with the preset apple tv setting, so it looks like using the newly implemented handbrake apple tv preset in your software will allow 5.1. I will download the new version of your software and try it. I'll let you know my results.
     

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