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iTiVo (TiVo -> mac -> iPhone)

Discussion in 'TiVo Home Media Features & TiVoToGo' started by Yoav, Nov 6, 2008.

  1. Mar 6, 2010 #621 of 741
    mattack

    mattack Active Member

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    ok, I guess the 'buttons' are really just showing which phase it's in (downloading/decoding). But it's confusing that you can click on the second one and toggle it.

    My question about how to do as minimal a conversion as possible is still open.. Wow, on this 2 GHz Core Duo, it seems to take about real-time to reencode (I chose the non-HD MPEG-2 one for now).
     
  2. Mar 7, 2010 #622 of 741
    psywzrd

    psywzrd New Member

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    I'm having trouble connecting to one of my 2 S3 Tivos. The IP address and MAK are correct and I tried rebooting the unit - still no luck. I have no problem connecting to the other S3 in my house and I have been able to connect to the troublesome Tivo in the past. Any ideas?
     
  3. Phantom Gremlin

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    I have yet another flaky WD DVR expander. So I'd like to move some files off the TiVo HD, then replace the internal hard drive with a bigger one (and scrap the expander), then move the files back to the TiVo HD.

    Is there an option in iTiVo to only download files? I don't need to decrypt or transcode (lots of CPU) because I will just push these files back to the TiVo.

    Am I missing something obvious? The "Format" in the preferences doesn't seem to offer a "raw" download-only option.

    Thanks

    Edit: I just checked code.google.com and I see that someone has already asked for this capability as "Issue 125".
     
  4. Marconi

    Marconi TiVo Junkie

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    The least processor-intensive solution is to use just decrypt. FWIW, I compared decrypt to just downloading ".tivo" files via web browser and I think network bandwidth is going to be the limiting factor here. You might save processor work by not decrypting but you won't save much time.
     
  5. psywzrd

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    I'm having problems transferring a show from one of my Tivos to my Mac using iTivo. It's a 2hr program and it keep quitting after like an hour or so and I don't know why. Any idea why this would happen?
     
  6. Phantom Gremlin

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    Are you sure you aren't running out of disk space on your Mac? Also you aren't perchance trying to transfer to a FAT-32 formatted partition?
     
  7. mattack

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    At least based upon my very little experience, you can edit them and *play* recordings that were made on digital channels fine in MPEG Streamclip, which is free. I seem to have very similar problems (wrong aspect ratio) of programs made on analog channels, and those only seem to play in VLC (usually wrong aspect ratio) or mPlayer (right aspect ratio but no editing capability whatsoever).


    About iTivo -- what's the difference between "Decrypt" and "Decrypt/Copy"? I use the former to get the raw recordings off the Tivo...

    And do any of these transfer programs (esp ones that work on a Mac) let you transfer FROM THE SAVED POINT? Esp since the portion I want to save is almost always the last section of a show, if I can only transfer 1/4 of it or whatever, that'd be better for me...
     
  8. wmcbrine

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    I don't think so. I tried a few ways to do it, but couldn't make it work. I think it's confined to MRV.
     
  9. psywzrd

    psywzrd New Member

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    Tons of space avail on my Mac and its not FAT-32 - it's Mac OS Extended. It actually just stops transferring at different points - it's not just at the 1 hour mark.
     
  10. Phantom Gremlin

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    I haven't looked at the iTiVo code, but it's kind of hard to imagine what the code could be doing to screw up a transfer in the middle. Your TiVo hardware might be flaky (i.e. disk failure looming).

    Have you ever tried to do a transfer using the TiVo's web server? You browse to:

    https://your_tivo_IP_address

    Note https, not http. Use tivo as the name, your MAK as the password.

    That method works for me, but it's less "user friendly" than programs like iTiVo or kmttg.
     
  11. sfscott

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    1) What is the limiting variable in download and encoding from TiVo to the Mac? I was transferring 3 HD shows from my Tivo HD to my Mac formatted for AppleTV (looks great on the iPad), and it took literally all night to complete. My Tivo is connected via an AirportExtreme base station. Is processor speed the issue? Encoding format? What is the best encoding format for iPad and iPhone?

    2) When HBO copy protects a show, is there any way to work around that? I don't get why it's ok to time-shift on the DVR but not place-shift. I have no interest in reselling or other unlawful uses. I just want to watch The Pacific at the gym or on a cross country flight!
     
  12. fatespawn

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    sfscott,

    Yes, it's going to take all night for 3 HD shows. The limiting factor is the processor because of some transcoding (perhaps the wrong word) that needs to be done before Tivo to Go works. The S3's are faster and I assume the XL's are too. Tivo to Tivo is the fastest because there is no "transcoding" (I know, that's probably the wrong word).

    I have my Tivo hooked up to an airport express 802.11n (5GHz only). When I plug in my laptop to the ethernet of the airport express, I can connect to the internet at 22Mbit + (comcast) through over wifi. However, with the TivoHD, it takes slightly longer than real time for a heafty HD show. Some HD shows are more compressed than others. Most of the 1080i content I see on Comcast is around 5-6GB for an hour show. OTA broadcasts can be higher. I remember CBS 1080i were sometimes in the 7-8GB for an hour show.

    Encoding format is only limited by what format you choose and your processors. iTivo doesn't necessarily use the latest and greatest builds of these encoders either. For example, I use Handbrake64 for most of my encodes if I don't want to cut commercials. I just "decrypt" and drag all the files to the Handbrake Queue. It's much faster.

    If you don't want the commercial cut (which is sketchy at times anyway) just choose decrypt and use the Handbrake presets for iPhone/AppleTV for your iDevice.

    Regarding copy protection. Legally, you're out of luck. It's up to the copyright holder and HBO to flag it how they want. If it's copy protected, you can't legally "uncopyprotect it."

    -fate
     
  13. sfscott

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    What is the difference between Handbrake and iTivo? I downloaded iTivo and it works fine but for the slowness (that you addressed.)

    Bummer about the copy protection. I figured there was some url out there about evil hackers that had posted code to defeat this...if someone wanted to look at the code for informational purposes.
     
  14. mattack

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    Handbrake doesn't do the Tivo transferring (AFAIK).

    Except that it doesn't do folders in the UI, I have been using iTivo more than the real downloading program.

    The only problem is that iTivo often takes MANY minutes to actually connect to my Tivos, and often (but not always) shows an error saying that the Tivo disappeared, but it really hadn't, so I can then just start downloading shows at that point.

    I'm not sure what info to provide, but I can provide useful info if it helps debug this.

    Other than that, using iTivo is convenient, because I also get the extended show info files (for some reason I have it make both), and transfer them uncompressed (decode only), since as I said above, MPEG Streamclip lets me edit recordings (except for ones off of analog channels, which is a shame).
     
  15. fatespawn

    fatespawn New Member

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    Yes, as mattack says, using iTivo you get the metadata along with the transcoded file for an mp4. iTivo makes nice folders that are navigable with pytivoX for streaming back to the Tivo. That's a great feature if you are archiving many episodes of... say... Dora the Explorer... not that I'd know anything about that!

    The difference is if you don't care about the metadata. If your only intent is to transfer your show to a iDevice, you don't really care about the metadata. Using handbrake will be quicker overall. You can download the mpeg2 files (complete with metadata for transfer back to your Tivo if you want), but then drop them one by one into Handbrake's queue.

    Certainly iTivo will automate all this for your overnight, but if it's raw speed you're looking for, Handbrake64 with a dual/quad/hyperthreaded-enabled processor will kick iTivo's butt transcoding. The iTivo presets will suit you fine - and I use them too - if you want to convert for an iPhone/iPod. I'd use the appleTV preset for the iPad but I don't have one to try it on.

    -fate
     
  16. Marconi

    Marconi TiVo Junkie

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    I'm guessing that there are many, many items in the Now Playing List of the DVR involved. From experience, I can tell you that having just a few NPL items makes that initial connection by iTiVo much faster.
     
  17. kfreeb

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    Not sure if this is where you put in request for enhancements to iTivo, (correct me there is a better place) but here goes!

    I would like to see an enhancement to iTivo, where you can download only the meta data from a Tivo program, rather than having to download the entire show again, so iTivo can then create the meta data file again.

    This would have saved me quite a bit of time, if this feature was there.
     
  18. --phantom--

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    Just DL'd iTivo 1.7.6, installed, connected to Tivo HD, retrieved NPL w/ 324 items (mostly HD). However, selecting an item in the iTivo NPL is incredibly slow; I mean like literally 10 minutes, just to select it and get the Download show button active. E.g., when I click on an item in the list, nothing happens - the row is not selected/highlighted. Haven't even tried downloading a show yet. The list, and thus the app, is effectively unusable.

    I have a wired gigabit Ethernet connection, 3GHz iMac Core 2 duo 4G RAM OS X 10.6.3.

    What gives?

    Thanks for any help.

    Gordon
     
  19. Marconi

    Marconi TiVo Junkie

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    It's that 324 items. The more NPL items you have the longer it takes. Still, 10 minutes seems like a bit much.

    Once you select and download a recording (use 'decrypt only'), look in the DVR's network settings, diagnostics, recent transfers and see what kind of transfer speed you achieved "transfer to other devices" which would be your iMac. Let us know what that was. Maybe you have a network problem.
     
  20. --phantom--

    --phantom-- New Member

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    Almost all of those 324 items are items that were recorded by the Tivo in its "Tivo suggestions" mode before we realized what it was doing and shut that mode off. It's daunting to think about deleting them one by one. Is there any kind of mass select/delete?

    Back to iTivo, I finally got it to select one item to try a download. The file is 1980MB and is downloading at 1MB/second, so about 18 minutes for a gigabyte. I'll look at the Tivo's transfer speed per your suggestion in the morning, but based on the iTivo's download throughput display I think the network is performing well.

    Gordon
     

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