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iTiVo and Mountain Lion

Discussion in 'TiVo Home Media Features & TiVoToGo' started by peaston, Feb 21, 2012.

  1. peaston

    peaston New Member

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    Has anyone upgraded to mountain lion 10.8?
    I have it on a dev machine and it breaks iTiVo!
    :confused:
    Pete
     
  2. jshore

    jshore New Member

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    I just upgraded last night and saw immediately that iTiVo was broke. I was able to actually get it to launch ok and see my Tivo by trying this in the terminal:

    http://code.google.com/p/itivo/issues/detail?id=198

    But when i tried transferring a show, it said it was gonna take something like 55, 843 hours... i left it alone for about 45 minutes and it stopped on its own. I checked the file it hand transferred and it got about 19 minutes of a 30 minute show.

    Does anybody use Tivo Transfer that is a part of Toast? Is that still part of Toast as of 11? Just wondering if i need to go to that now?
     
  3. bill gerstein

    bill gerstein New Member

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    I just upgraded to mountain lion and can no longer use itivo. Are there alternatives? I once tried Toast. That was a nightmare.
     
  4. Dark Helmet

    Dark Helmet New Member

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    Northern...
    I still use TiVo Transfer (still comes with Toast 11), but ONLY for the transfer; I use my own program for the conversion (which uses tivodecode, MPEG Streamclip, and Handbrake for the hard stuff).

    I used to use Toast, but they (Roxio) basically gave up on TiVo support; if you bring a TiVo file into Toast the editor locks up and their tech support didn't care when I tried to work the problem with them.
     
  5. jshore

    jshore New Member

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    well, i am in the process of trying Tivo Transfer (from Toast).... but so far unable to get it to see my TiVos on my home network. Even with Mountain Lion, iTivo sees my Tivos, and each of my 3 tivos can see the other tivos on my network, and transfer/stream shows between them. But for some reason my Tivos don't show up at all. And dealing with Roxio/Corel customer support is a joke. Their big suggestion was for me to take the Tivo Transfer from my dock into the trash, and launch from the applications folder. (Hello, Tivo Transfer in my dock is just an alias for the one in my apps folder!)

    Anyway, giving it one more try tonight then getting a refund.

    But i really need an alternative - one of the things i love about tivo is transferring shows to my iMac (and then to my iPad)....
     
  6. Dark Helmet

    Dark Helmet New Member

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    Northern...
    I can't really defend Roxio customer support, but at least the TiVo Transfer app works for me. Just curious ... do you have the latest update of Toast? There were problems with newer TiVos, but at least those got fixed. If TiVo support people are reading this, could you communicate up the chain that Toast essentially DOES NOT WORK and TiVo shouldn't recommend it as a Mac solution?

    I think you will discover that the REST of Toast, however, is an Epic Fail when it comes to TiVo support; the editor is terrible and locks up for me all of the time. Even when it does work it's still lousy.

    If you're willing to be adventurous (and maybe compile a program or two) I'd be willing to supply the program I use to do transcoding on my Mac. You'll need tivodecode, AtomicParsley, MPEG Streamclip, and Handbrake (HandbrakeCLI, actually). All of those are free (but MPEG Streamclip needs a $20 library from Apple). PM me if you're interested.
     
  7. jshore

    jshore New Member

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    Appreciate the offer but i know nothing of compiling programs and whatnot. I'm one of those mac nerds who is so into apple because everything is (relatively) easy. I believe i am using latest version of toast since i just purchased it 2 days ago and downloaded it. I used to use TIvo Transfer back in Toast 9 (before i discovered iTivo) and it was fine. So i'd be ok if the darn thing would just see my Tivos on the network...
     
  8. Johncv

    Johncv Active Member

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    Remember ANY program using Mountain Lion must use 64-bit code. Any program using 32-bit code will no longer run on Mountain Lion. All 32-bit code was remove from Mountain Lion.
     
  9. WDWPassholder

    WDWPassholder New Member

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    Does kmttg use itivo under the covers? I know it packages up stuff like projectx and other tools to accomplish the various tasks.

    I have been searching the internet before actually trying to download or install Mountain Lion. Continue to use Lion for now. Seems like several MAC software programs are releasing updates, but trying to understand the compatibility of tools that are unix, java, or other software based is tiring.

    I saw some information about X11 no longer being part of Mountain Lion, does itivo or kmttg rely on that? I followed link (xquartz.macosforge.org/landing/) to try installing the separate x11 that apple suggests is needed with Mountain Lion, but was not really sure if it was needed for kmttg processing.

    I also searched kmttg doc on google without finding a clear answer yet, so I left a question on the install MAC OS X page (code.google.com/p/kmttg/wiki/mac_osx_installation)
     
  10. Dark Helmet

    Dark Helmet New Member

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    Northern...
    That's not exactly true. There's no longer a 32-bit KERNEL, so 32-bit kernel extensions won't work. But 32-bit userspace applications should work fine (assuming they don't depend on 32-bit kernel extensions).

    It looks like one of the problems with iTiVo is that it uses a program called "mDNS" which no longer exists in Mountain Lion.
     
  11. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Mission...
    No.

    No.

    kmttg GUI should run AFAIK (but I don't own a Mac so can't guarantee it) and if the 32 bit helper applications like ffmpeg, etc. still run then there should be no problems.
     
  12. jshore

    jshore New Member

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    Ugh, this is frustrating. I even tried KMTTG and got all the parts installed and entered my MAK, but it's not seeing any of my Tivos either. I have no firewalls that i know of set up on my router... and i've tried shutting down, restarting cable modem, router, iMac, and all tivos. i've reinstalled toast 11 (and thrown away plst files). But the only app that can even see any of my tivos is iTivo (it sees my living room elite).... and when i transfer a show in iTivo i only get about 18 minutes of it and it stops.

    i'm really hoping i haven't just lost the ability to transfer shows from tivo to my iMac/itunes. Love taking shows on the go on my iPad....
     
  13. Dark Helmet

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    Northern...
    You know, you don't actually need KMTTG or iTiVo to do the transfers for you; you can use a web browser to simply connect to your TiVo and download the files yourself (still have to transcode them, of course).

    If you don't happen to know your TiVo's name or IP address on your local network, they should show up under Bonjour in the "Collections" sidebar of Safari.
     
  14. jshore

    jshore New Member

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    I tried entering the IP address of two of my TiVos, and got the attached "Congratulations" message screen but nothing else? (Not sure if the image attachment worked). It basically tells me all the wonderful things i can do with an internet-connected tivo, but i can't click anywhere to do anything. I looked under Collections and only see history, Bookmarks Bar and Bookmarks Menu... if you have any mountain lion step-by-step directions to transfer and then encode (handbrake?) i'd really appreciate it. Thanks!

    [​IMG]
     
  15. Dark Helmet

    Dark Helmet New Member

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    Northern...
    Sure. First, connect using https, e.g:

    https://256.256.256.256

    Log in with a username of "tivo" and a password of your MAK (since you had iTiVo working, I am assuming you know where to get that from).

    You should then see a web page which shows what you have on your TiVo. For each program you'll have the option to either download a MPEG-PS (Program Stream) or MPEG-TS (Transport Stream). You want the Program Stream.

    Then, you have to decrypt it with a program called "tivodecode". You can find binaries by Googling (you could also get it from MacPorts), but it's a command-line tool. It's not hard to use (but I am used to that sort of thing). That decrypts it from the TiVo format into a MPEG stream that a lot of programs can handle.

    At this point I use MPEG Streamclip to edit the file to remove commercials; this step is optional.

    You can then use Handbrake to convert the file. Just open the MPEG stream file with Handbrake; it has presets for a bunch of different Apple devices so that should make it easy. Then you have to open it with iTunes to import it, and once you do THAT, you should be able to transfer it to your iPad.

    The program I was talking about earlier that I wrote automates these steps; it's still command line, but it just removes some of the tedium. Thinking more about it, the only thing I had to compile myself was Atomic Parsley (which I use for metadata tagging).
     
  16. jshore

    jshore New Member

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    First off, thanks for your help...making a bit of progress here. Was able to login with tivo and MAK... and downloading a test file...

    still a little unclear on tivodecode. I have both that and kmttg downloaded... just not sure how to point them to the file i will want decoded. (And handbrake won't just do this from the file i am downloading via ip address, right?)...

    again, thanks for your help, and apologies for my lack of knowledge on all things terminal-related! :)
     
  17. jshore

    jshore New Member

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    PS i have roxio toast 11 - can i use that to translate the file for iTunes?
     
  18. Dark Helmet

    Dark Helmet New Member

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    Northern...
    Handbrake doesn't know about any TiVo specific stuff; you need it decrypted first, and tivodecode really is the only choice here.

    You're going to have to do this from a Terminal window. If you run "tivodecode" without any arguments it will tell you what the options are. You probably want something like:

    Code:
    tivodecode -mak YOUR-MAK-HERE --out file.mpeg file.TiVo
    If you've never done anything from a Terminal window before ... well, I suspect it will be tough going. I hope you won't be offended if I don't go into a complete Unix command line tutorial; that would take a long time.

    Maybe. Back when I used it you could press the "Toast it" button from TiVo Transfer and it would incorporate it into Toast. From what I could tell Tivo Transfer doesn't do the TiVo decryption itself, Toast handles it all. So maybe if you point Toast at a downloaded TiVo file the right thing will happen (I'm assuming you entered your MAK into Toast at some point). But be warned ... the editor in Toast basically doesn't work with TiVo files. If that doesn't bother you then maybe it will be sufficient for your needs.
     
  19. jshore

    jshore New Member

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    Once again, thanks for all your helpful suggestions! I think the terminal is best suited for those who know what the heck they are doing, not pseudo-nerds like me.

    So here's what worked...

    went to my https:IPADDRESS and signed in with "tivo" and MAK... was able to transfer the file per your instructions. I dragged that file into Toast 11, and it converted it just fine. It dropped it into iTunes, and i just copied over to my iPad. While this is a bit more of a pain in the @ss than using iTivo, at least it works! (Again, once fall tv shows start back up there will be plenty of shows i will want to transfer and take on my iPad to the gym.)

    Thanks again for all your help!
     
  20. herbman

    herbman Member

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    This is not true.
     

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