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Is Tivo EVER going to fix the awful Premiere software?

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by slice1900, Sep 3, 2012.

  1. nrc

    nrc Cracker Soul

    Nov 17, 1999
    Living in a...
    Most of the time I think my Elite is fast enough. What annoys me is that sometimes when I'm going through menus I get a "bonk" as I try to proceed into the next menu. I assume that it's refusing to accept input until the screen is rendered which sucks and adds to the impression of slowness.

    I don't recall ever encountering this behavior on any generation TiVo.
  2. L David Matheny

    L David Matheny Active Member

    Jan 29, 2011
    SE Ohio
    That's exactly the sort of thing that should never occur. The user interface must be lower in priority than critical tasks like recording, but it should be higher in priority than eye candy, ads, etc. If the user does something to change the menu or other screen before it's fully rendered, the TiVo should immediately abort all unfinished items on that screen (which should be separate threads) and start rendering the newly selected screen. Eventually the TiVo will catch up when the user slows down, but the user interface should never force the user to slow down. That's why we need asynchronous multithreading, as has been noted many times.
  3. compnurd

    compnurd Active Member

    Oct 6, 2011
    I have never had that occur
  4. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

    Apr 17, 2000
    I have and I agree with David. The UI should always respond to commands regardless of what state it's in. When someone has been using a UI for a while they learn where things are and don't always need for the complete UI to render before making a selection.

  5. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

    Apr 5, 2010
    I have. Many times, although it is still rare. And I have had the petals of death (also occasionally). And I have been able to get the menu totally confused by trying to delete things it is still recording too fast (frequently).

    Generally, what I want to accomplish through the UI, I am many times faster (reading/reaction time/processing) than the HDUI can keep up with (page changes, scrolling, selecting, deleting, returning control to me, etc).
  6. trip1eX

    trip1eX Active Member

    Apr 2, 2005
    That's why I sold mine.

    I think the lack of responsiveness is due to their move to Flash. Flash apps are clunky. They are inefficient. All those ads that bog you down in your browser? Flash.

    They made a mistake by going to Flash. NOt sure why except there is an army of flash developers out there, they could port Tivo to other platforms other than Tivo boxes and attract 3rd party development.

    Series 2 never had this problem.
  7. compnurd

    compnurd Active Member

    Oct 6, 2011
    I have the sounds turned off but I have never had the hdui get stuck on my button pressing or behind. I push the button for whatever screen and it responds
  8. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Jan 6, 2003
    Houston &...
    It's easy to have happen. You just aren't trying hard enough.:D

    Example: Watching a recording, it comes to an end, you delete it and the TiVo returns to the Now Playing Screen. If you push a button the exact moment of return, you almost always get the bonk. It takes a second or so for the NP screen to redraw.

    And I'm using the SDUI! :eek:

    It's not a big deal, but it definitely exists. LDM is correct about the solution.
  9. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

    Sep 19, 2006
    In the ATL
    You're assuming they know how to properly do UI multithreading. Based on what we've seen with the Premieres, my guess is no. Or the abominable choice of Flash is preventing them from doing so.
  10. slice1900

    slice1900 Member

    Dec 2, 2005

    Yes, this is one of the NEW bugs they introduced this summer. When watching something that is recording, and switching to watch something else then back to the thing that is recording, it appears to always lose it's place. Very frustrating!

    Even more annoying, after a recording is done when the live buffer has less than 30 minutes in it, it's not possible to rewind back to the start of the buffer. This may sound like a non-issue, but I recorded something that runs over a bit and happen to finish watching it less than 30 minutes after it ended, I want to go into the live buffer to see what I missed. But yet another new bug lurks there.

    If you try, it jumps you back to the end of the buffer. I've found the only way to get to the start of the buffer is to use the 3xFF and then slow down to to 2x and then 1x as you approach the beginning, making sure to press play before you actually do reach the start of the buffer. If you wait too long and hit the start of the buffer, you're back to the end again.

    Tivo obviously does little or no testing of releases before they push them out widely, or something as obvious as this would never have passed QC.
  11. bobrt6676

    bobrt6676 Member

    Dec 31, 2007
    Have had this issue pop-up once in awhile but last night it was bad. While watching the Reds recorded game, 6 times:mad:Tivo elite switched to C-Span for a couple of minutes and then switches to the last live station I was watching. How frustrating:( Chatted with Tivo support and there answer: 1. Switch to SDUI and 2. reboot the TA and call me in the morning if this does not help! Has not happened since switching to the ugly SDUI (sorry I'm an HD snob:D) There was quite a lightning/thunder storm at the time this was happening but my equiptment is connected to a power conditioner and there was never any flickering power.
  12. Thunderclap

    Thunderclap Member

    Nov 28, 2005
    Chicago area
    I was wondering... how hard would it be for Tivo to add a setting that allows a user to enable/disable the "live" content, or all the useless stuff at the top of the HDUI menus? That stuff barely works anyway and being able to turn it off might help things a bit.
  13. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

    May 1, 2006
    Dallas, TX
    It's already available. Switch to using the SDUI. :p
  14. Thunderclap

    Thunderclap Member

    Nov 28, 2005
    Chicago area
    Ha! Though not quite the option I was looking for.
  15. Heinrich

    Heinrich New Member

    Feb 28, 2002
    When I hit the Tivo button during a recording while watching, if I want to check something, how do I get back to the video that's playing without going down to the individual show and hitting 'resume'?
  16. andyf

    andyf Active Member

    Feb 23, 2000
    Zoom button.
  17. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

    Apr 5, 2010
    It wouldn't be "hard" but it is apparent TiVo is not going to give us that kind of control. I totally agree with you, by the way. I *hate* the "Discovery Bar" and wish I could turn it off and use that space for something useful, like larger listings.

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