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Is Tivo EVER going to fix the awful Premiere software?

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by slice1900, Sep 3, 2012.

  1. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I'd take that bet. TiVo has invested a LOT of resourcesninto the HDUI and they are still actively working on it. There is no way they are going to throw out everything they've done and start over again. The next unit will likely have a faster CPU so that it runs better, but it will still be running the same UI that the current units.

    Now that doesn't mean they wont abondon the Premiere platform though. The S2 units and S3 units ran esentially the same code but they still stopped releasing updates for the S2 units long before the S3 units. Even when a program shares a common codebase it can still be a PITA to maintain multiple versions. Although I predict they will keep releasing updates for at least another year, maybe two.

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  2. knightl

    knightl New Member

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    I too, love the S3. I just had one brick on me and bought a refurb S3 from TIVO to replace it.
     
  3. zubinh

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    Is there any way to just get the grid guide in HD and everything else in SD?
     
  4. compnurd

    compnurd New Member

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    No, It is either SDUI or HDUI
     
  5. zubinh

    zubinh Member

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    I'm all ready to upgrade to Premiere but now you guys are giving me second thoughts :confused:
     
  6. compnurd

    compnurd New Member

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    I love the HDUI. The problem here is what everyone compares it to. I came from Direct TV's HD Interface so to me the HDUI on the Premiere is faster. It is also faster then my in-laws Verizon Fios HD Interface. Is it as fast as the SDUI, no, but the SDUI is BASIC like the TV Guide software most cable companies use.

    The HDUI does use the internet ALOT, so having a good connection and DNS servers that are properly configured and you will be fine. I have two premieres, both use HDUI, never had a slow down on either. Netflix etc works fine
     
  7. zubinh

    zubinh Member

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    Thank you for the reassurance compnurd. I have upgraded my Fios speed to 50/25 and I upgraded to the latest Router with Moca Support in anticipation of upgrading. As far as "DNS servers that are properly configured" ...I have no idea what that means so if you know of a post that describes what to do, I'd appreciate it! Now all I need is for the Tivo Mini to be released.
     
  8. smbaker

    smbaker Well-Known Member

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    It's still a worthy upgrade. It falls far short of it's potential, but I'm still happier with my Premiere than my S3 or S2. I just have a much better expectation of quality than Tivo delivers these days.
     
  9. mr_smits

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    I haven't heard anything about Series 5. Do we know anything about it and timeframe?
     
  10. rhettf

    rhettf R3T1CAL

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    DNS stands for Domain Name Server, it's what turns google.com into a IP address.

    Your modem pulls one down from your ISP but you can usually find a more reliable/faster one with a little research.

    I personally roll my own which is the fastest most secure thing to do. If you have a spare low power machine lying around its really simple to setup.

    http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/how-find-best-dns-server.htm
     
  11. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    The only mention of it at all was during a conference call when someone from TiVo mentioned that the functionality of the Stream would be built into some future hardware release. They NEVER said it was going to be a Series 5, or anything else about it, so everything else being posted here is pure rumor and speculation.

    Dan
     
  12. nrc

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    I finally made the move to a Premiere recently. I like the HDUI. Most of the time it's fast enough. Every once in a while it bogs down. I thought I had one lockup but I wandered off and when I came back everything was back to normal.

    One thing that does annoy me is that it doesn't seem to buffer remote presses well. So if it's still rendering a menu and you select a menu item sometimes you get a bonk instead of the action expected.
     
  13. Thunderclap

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression the current Premiere hardware was quite capable of handling the HDUI. Isn't it a dual core CPU in these units? As I understand it the issue is that Tivo hasn't "enabled" the second core yet thus causing the sluggishness.
     
  14. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    They enabled the second core a while back. It improved things a bit, but the UI is still a dog. I think the whole thing is just underpowered. Which seems to be confirmed by the fact that it runs better on the 2 tuner unit then the 4 tuner unit because the 4 tuner unit has more resources dedicated to recording/buffering 4 stations at a time.

    Hopefully a future revision of the hardware will contain a newer chip that can run the UI a little faster.

    Dan
     
  15. compnurd

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    I think the second core seemed to speed up other tasks more so then the UI....

    I dont remember seeing a huge change with the UI when that happened... That being said though, we have alot more HD screens then we did before the core update
     
  16. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Yes, the CPU's are underpowered but (as I asserted earlier) the HDUI is so dependent on a live connection to TiVo's servers for uncached, live information, it can never really be fast everywhere, regardless of the hardware thrown at it. A TRUE, "everywhere" speedup would require a significant redesign and re-thinking of the way the HDUI works. One solution would be to download *ALL* the program information on a regular basis (not just the base listings, but also all the icons/graphics, the extended info). Another [less desirable option] would be to make anything "live" optional information that is not displayed or retrieved unless directed to do so.

    I do believe faster CPU's will result in much snapper performance in perhaps most areas of the HDUI. They have so much invested in their software design, that I seriously doubt it will change much with a series 5.

    One thing I would LOVE to see would be to put the OS, TiVo Software, and *ALL* settings information on flash storage. Use the hard drive to ONLY store the video. That would significantly speed up the booting and operation of many aspects of the system, and significantly improve the reliability of the system. Make that flash storage a removable card, and now you have a backup of everything important... all your preferences, channel settings, antenna config, network config, audio, config, likes and dislikes, wishlists, etc, etc. If your TiVo fails or blows a hard drive, simply move the card into a replacement unit and you are DONE.
     
  17. Brad Bishop

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    Just to add my two bits in:

    I have an Elite. Up until the v20.1 (I think that's right) version I'd get random reboots throughout the week. Since then, it's been solid.

    I also switched to the HDUI when v20.1 hit and I have no complaints. I even switched back recently to SDUI to see if I was missing any speed. It was negligible. While I don't know if the Premier is less powered than the Elite, if I were recommending settings to a friend or family member for the Elite I'd tell them to go HDUI as it's a nicer interface and the speed issue really isn't there.

    Now, if only they'd finish the HDUI interface. It's pretty ridiculous that they should have had it done in 2007 with the TiVo HD and here we are, 5 years later, and you still slip into the SDUI interface depending on what you do.

    As for the Java comments - it looks like people gave up on that. Yahoo! was a big player. Dominos let you order pizza via the Java interface (never worked for me). I think it's time to move past Java. It seems that most others have or are.
     
  18. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    That would be nice. Flash storage is cheap enough now that they could do that pretty easily.

    Has anyone ever used a flash based drive as their primary hard drive in a TiVo? Just as an experiment to see if it made the UI any faster?

    Dan
     
  19. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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  20. Thunderclap

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    If TiVo re-wrote the HDUI in HTML5 or Java or some other program that wasn't as CPU intensie couldn't they push that to TiVo units during an update? Maybe they can find a way to re-compile the Flash code into one of these other languages so they didn't have to recode from scratch.
     

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