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Is Tivo actually trying to lose customers?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Nak, Feb 10, 2014.

  1. Feb 14, 2014 #41 of 128
    ARS-K5GP

    ARS-K5GP Gene

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    ....If you wanted to record video podcasts...

    I think you may still be able to add pod casts with roamio.
     
  2. Feb 14, 2014 #42 of 128
    Bigg

    Bigg On the fence to being a cord-cutter.

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    The original statement was obvious to any reasonable reader that it meant for any user, SD menus are always faster than HD menus on the same TiVo box. The statement may not have stood up in court to mean exactly that, but to any reader with any common sense, it meant that. Stop nitpicking.

    Yes. I think it's more a matter of reading it like a lawyer, trying to poke little holes in it, and then splitting hairs over it to be obnoxious. It was clear what was originally meant by the post.
     
  3. Feb 14, 2014 #43 of 128
    Bigg

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    Quite true.
     
  4. Feb 15, 2014 #44 of 128
    Nak

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    Of course, this is personnel preference but I'd have to disagree. Fairly ironic, I start a thread to bash Tivo and then sing their praises... LOL :D

    Up until very recently I was using a series 2 for my music player. It was a lifetime box with a hard drive that never saw the update that ruined MP3 playback, and of course also never saw the updates that slowed it down. To get there, I simply installed the original hard drive which I had kept as a backup. I also blocked it from the internet with my router. It made a great music player. No album art or anything like that, but I really don't care about that. I just start the music and then turn off the TV anyway. It died just a couple of months ago. I've not found a replacement player that I like as well. :(

    I also like the photo display capability of the Tivo. It's the best way ever to go through old family photos with the kids. It's also great for throwing up slideshows as theme backgrounds during parties. You do need to organize all of your photos in a good folder structure to do that, but I do that anyway.

    While i use a Dune player for my Bluray collection, all of my old DVD's are kept on my HTPC, but I watch them with my Tivo. Simple and easy to drill down through folders to pick out a movie, excellent playback features. If Tivo really wants to entice me to buy the Roamio to replace my Premiere, adding 1080P ISO playback AND HD audio would do that.

    I enjoy listening to Pandora with the Tivo quite a bit, at least I did with the old Pandora app. I understand Pandora's need for a new app though. The old app played so few commercials there was no need whatsoever to pay for premium service.

    It wasn't smart of Pandora though to make the new app a worse music player. If they would have just left the app alone other than upping the commercial count--and if I could access it via the SD menus-- I'd buy a Pandora subscription today. Admittedly I still might. I'll have to see if I continue to use it with it's reduced playback capabilities. And if I can get used to the HD menus. The more I use those menus the less I like them it seems... I don't mind ads, I understand the need for them. I just find the HD menus annoyingly un-intuitive to use, and slow.
     
  5. Feb 15, 2014 #45 of 128
    jrtroo

    jrtroo Chill- its just TV

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    I have had them both, and if you are going to purchase an app to stream music on your tivo, I prefer spotify.
     
  6. Feb 15, 2014 #46 of 128
    Nak

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    I'll have to check that out. Have you tried the Spotify Android app?
     
  7. Feb 16, 2014 #47 of 128
    Bigg

    Bigg On the fence to being a cord-cutter.

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    None of that stuff works well compared to other devices ranging from Smart TVs to Rokus to HTPCs to laptops to smartphones and iPads.

    Playing music through a TiVo makes no sense, as you'd have to have the TV on just for music. An smartphone or iPad running through Bluetooth or a 3.5mm to RCA cable makes a LOT more sense.
     
  8. Feb 16, 2014 #48 of 128
    HerronScott

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    Depending on your setup and how you are using it, you don't have to have to keep the TV on after you start playing. I'll start playing Pandora or an album from my Home Server through our S3 and then turn the TV off as the TiVo audio/video goes through a receiver.

    Scott
     
  9. Feb 16, 2014 #49 of 128
    Bigg

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    Mine is [sort of] set up the same way, I could run audio without the screen, but then I'd basically have no way to control what the TiVo is doing. Better just to use one of the zillion other devices that can stream music with bluetooth.
     
  10. Feb 16, 2014 #50 of 128
    Nak

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    Possibly with an APT-X bluetooth device it may be time for that... With regular bluetooth the audio quality is nowhere near as good as the Tivo connection. Not that Tivo is audiophile quality, but with 256 kbs encoded mp3's it's far and away better than any standard bluetooth setup. Not even in the same league... The nice thing about the Tivo--if it worked correctly--is the "one box" media solution. Tivo is so close to being that, yet they fail to take the next step. If they'd fix music playback and add ISO 1080p playback--with HD audio--they'd become the #1 media player. The hardware is capable, they just haven't stepped forward with the software.
     
  11. Feb 17, 2014 #51 of 128
    wmcbrine

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    Gotta say, I don't know what you mean by either of these. The Roamio does do 1080p, though (both 24 and 60 fps).
     
  12. Feb 17, 2014 #52 of 128
    Bigg

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    Then use an RCA cable. "One box". HAHAHA. It's a DVR. It sucks at everything else. That's why we have AVRs with big rows of HDMI ports, HDMI switches, and furniture to house all of the stuff.
     
  13. Feb 20, 2014 #53 of 128
    Nak

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    By ISO playback I mean the ability to play a Bluray stored as an ISO file. HD Audio is either DTS-HD MA or Dolby TrueHD. Those capabilities would make Tivo a true Media Player and take the place of a device like my Dune. It seems like the Tivo--at least the Roamio--should be hardware capable of that, but perhaps the chipset is not. I have no idea actually. I'm just pointing out things Tivo could do to expand their customer base. They dabble at such capabilities, but don't really commit to it.

    My overall point is that Tivo would be better off expanding their customer base by improving their service on new devices/menus. Trying to force customers to new devices/menus by degrading service on old devices is likely to be counter productive in the long run. Pissing off a segment of your fan base is never a good idea, except in the very short term.
     
  14. Feb 20, 2014 #54 of 128
    lessd

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    How many lay people would understand what you just said above, few could even get a BluRay movie into an ISO format, TiVo is a DVR first with a few apps connected to it, the full home system using the Mini (and 4 to six tuner TiVo) and reducing cable cards use is the real step forward for DVR use, the rest of the apps will not get any more (or few) lay people to purchase a TiVo system.
     
  15. Feb 20, 2014 #55 of 128
    Bigg

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    Exactly. Especially in a market with very limited competition. Very few people who even understand how they could rip ISO files would, since they already have a Blu-Ray player, and aren't going to waste their time ripping ISOs.

    If anything, they should focus on the core DVR functionality and improvements there.
     
  16. Feb 20, 2014 #56 of 128
    aaronwt

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    I would say just the opposite. TiVo is a more user firendly experience than in the past. At least for my with my Roamios, Minis, and TiVo Desktop PC. I've never been able to do so much and so fast with the quick UI in all my years of using TiVos.

    EIT: Where the heck did teh post go I was responding to.

    Fo BD ISOs I have other deviecs for my media streaming. I don't need my Tivo to do it. I've got over 1600 BD ISOs currently and my media players do a great job with them. My TiVos can't do everything and I don't want them trying to have them do everything.
     
  17. Feb 20, 2014 #57 of 128
    eboydog

    eboydog Just TiVo'ing.....

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    Tivo appears to be moving in with the cable companies, with all their new partnerships and with laying off the majority of their hardware engineers their future is with the providing dvr software for the cable companies.

    I bet in 10 year there will be no more Tivo retail products and if you want Tivo, your cable company will supply it with their box rentals.
     
  18. Feb 21, 2014 #58 of 128
    Bigg

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    I'm not saying it's not better than ever. It is. But it still has a long way to go.

    1600 ISOs? Do you actually own the discs? Or are they pirated? That's a lot of storage space!

    That's not going to work for most of the country, where Comcast reigns (or will reign) supreme. I'm betting that they only do software, and either license it to a company to make the retail hardware, or spec out retail hardware and outsource the production of it, in addition to selling to cable companies.
     
  19. Feb 23, 2014 #59 of 128
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  20. Feb 24, 2014 #60 of 128
    trip1eX

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    It was never great at that stuff though. The fact you used it isn't enough to make it great. :)

    I just had a chuckle with your post because I thought you were 10 years late with the question in the title when discussing these xtra services that Tivos can do. I never found them great by any objective measure.

    Even back when I had a SEries 2 and didn't have an iPod yet. I never thought the music playback feature was great. You needed your pc to be on. You needed your TV on. And then your UI was folders. And this feature was buried in the menu. And the whole process was slow going. And then I think if you went back a folder or something your song would stop playing.

    Pretty quickly i had an Ipod and a pair of RCA cables.

    IT's the same sorta thing for everything on Tivo outside of recording tv. The stuff is there and works I guess in the general sense of the word.

    But if you really use that xtra stuff you might as well just get an ATV or use your smartphone etc.
     

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