1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Is this really it?

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by anthonymoody, Jun 1, 2014.

  1. Jun 1, 2014 #1 of 44
    anthonymoody

    anthonymoody New Member

    199
    0
    Apr 29, 2008
    Not trolling. I'm a Roamio Plus/Mini owner. Mostly happy, and the hardware and software and iOS apps do more or less what I understood them to do.

    However, I'm surprised that not a single meaningful app has been added. Still no Amazon streaming, no Vudu, etc. Maybe I expected (way) too much from the opera App Store.

    And look, if this really is it, I don't regret the purchases. I just would've hoped for more.
     
  2. Jun 1, 2014 #2 of 44
    jrtroo

    jrtroo User

    4,065
    6
    Feb 4, 2008
    The advice for any device is to buy it for what it can do today. You could also add your voice to whatever apps you want ported to the service provider, as it is not like Tivo is writing them for third parties anymore.
     
  3. Jun 1, 2014 #3 of 44
    bunjicat

    bunjicat New Member

    73
    0
    Jan 14, 2012
    I couldn't agree more. Tivo has the potential to lock this thing up. Creating a Roku box with live tv and recording is the finish line IMHO. I haven't given up hope yet. Tivo CEO seems to get it. Now lets hope there is follow through. Interview from last weeks Recode

    http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000278469
     
  4. Jun 1, 2014 #4 of 44
    jwbelcher

    jwbelcher New Member

    489
    0
    Nov 13, 2007
    Orlando, FL
    It would've been awesome had they bought Roku instead of integrating Opera. That would've added meaningful OTT apps. Also kind of interesting was my WDTV Live got a few new (quality) apps around Christmas. Not sure how they got that to happen; I would've thought their user base would be less than TiVos. I'd say at this point even WD has TiVo beat on apps.
     
  5. Jun 1, 2014 #5 of 44
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    3,554
    0
    Feb 5, 2011
    Cox Cable...
    Tom Rogers, TiVo CEO

    http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2014-05/tom-rogers-tivo-ceo/
     
  6. Jun 1, 2014 #6 of 44
    aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

    19,194
    27
    Jan 31, 2002
    Northern...
    Even Amazon couldn't buy Roku. Well at least ROku didn't accept their offer. I don't see how TiVo could have done any better in trying to buy Roku.
     
  7. Jun 2, 2014 #7 of 44
    jwbelcher

    jwbelcher New Member

    489
    0
    Nov 13, 2007
    Orlando, FL
    Considering the guy running the joint created ReplayTV; its doubtful any offer would've been accepted from TiVo. Yes, he still seems just a bit bitter, but he did learn a thing or two about product pricing from the experience.
     
  8. Jun 2, 2014 #8 of 44
    news4me2

    news4me2 Member

    107
    0
    Jul 10, 2010
    Indianapolis
    I think we would all be better served if ROKU bought TiVo...
     
  9. Jun 2, 2014 #9 of 44
    lgnad

    lgnad Pantless Mofo

    691
    0
    Feb 14, 2013
    Massachusetts
    The opera App Store needs more users to attract top quality developers. Even with the addition of Tivos to the user base, it's likely that there simply aren't enough eyeballs. I mean, c'mon... The opera brand itself is virtually unknown to the masses. Then you have different kinds of devices, so your UI Design and features of your app have to be kind of generic.

    They are promising 'big things' in the next update. I hope that doesn't mean 2 more screens you almost never access in HD and the updated (Romaio) user interface on Minis. It's what, a font change and a couple things are colored differently?

    I wish they'd get rid of using flash to drive then menus/guide. Flash is always inefficient, and it shows... And flash is dying/dead. I don't know if the old way the SD menus are coded or HTML5 code or stripping all the crap/layers away and writing code that talks straight to the hardware would be the best way, but after all these years you'd think someone at Tivo would have the skills and knowlege to do so.

    A six pack of coders on tech visas locked in a room for six months could cook up a much more efficient solution. I've seen other companies I've worked for do it!
     
  10. telemark

    telemark New Member

    1,544
    1
    Nov 12, 2013
    Opera was more popular in Europe. Tivo's an american brand though, so kinda different user bases.

    I think Opera TV is doing well given its age. But the fact that Tivo had to use a 3rd party technology instead of having a rich app platform to be kinda sad.

    (not knocking the HME devs there, but rather was a demonstration of what was possible despite the artificial hurdles from Tivo)
     
  11. tenthplanet

    tenthplanet Member

    580
    3
    Mar 5, 2004
    Being that streaming tech changes more often than DVR tech,do you really want a Tivo in 10 years with an obsolete streamer built in. In 10 years a person could easily go through 3 rokus, 3 apple tv's, etc.
    Tivo needs to go beyond the built in streamer idea.
     
  12. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

    1,951
    0
    Jan 20, 2004
    If you ask anyone who really is involved in tech who is more likely to be "around" or relevant in 10 years it's likely that you will get a lot more people saying Roku than TiVo.

    I agree with what others said, buy the box for what it does today not what it may do in a year or three.

    The fact that TiVo can't get more partners to stream to a box that is more than capable of doing it simply shows that many in the tech industry have already written TiVo off entirely.
     
  13. Diana Collins

    Diana Collins Well-Known Member TCF Club

    2,643
    34
    Aug 21, 2002
    New York...
    Yes, too bad emotions sway decisions like these. Even a licensing of the Roku libraries would be enough. They are both Linux based systems, and having a thin hardware interface layer between the Roku software and the Tivo hardware would make it possible to update the Roku bits without replacing the hardware.

    Another thing that might have been....
     
  14. anthonymoody

    anthonymoody New Member

    199
    0
    Apr 29, 2008
    Maybe one day someone in the know will write a tell all for how and why all this did (or didn't) go down.
     
  15. tenthplanet

    tenthplanet Member

    580
    3
    Mar 5, 2004
    Roku's don't record, streaming on demand will never be as big as some of it's supporters would have you believe.
     
  16. seattlewendell

    seattlewendell New Member

    248
    0
    Jan 11, 2006
    What are you smoking? Netflix US user base is already past 33 Million. Tivo US numbers peaked at 4.4 million in 2006

    and that's just Netflix. Total streaming can't even see Tivo from where it is now.
    "never be as big"? Put the pipe down.
     
  17. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

    5,275
    3
    May 14, 2007
    Paradise...
    I think you'd have to add in all the cable and satellite DVRs as well to make it a fair comparison, if even that would make it more fair. I have no idea myself.
     
  18. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

    19,194
    27
    Jan 31, 2002
    Northern...
    Comparing apples to apples there should easily more DVR users than Netflix has streamers. Since isn't the number of DVR users around 50% now?
     
  19. chrispitude

    chrispitude New Member

    518
    0
    Apr 23, 2005
    Until Roku provides a DVR experience equal to or greater than the Roamio, this is a meaningless apples-to-orange comparison.
     
  20. telemark

    telemark New Member

    1,544
    1
    Nov 12, 2013
    This has some good numbers, but might require a calculator and Venn diagram.
    http://www.leichtmanresearch.com/press/120613release.html

    Random Googling:
    Comcast X1, 7Million triple play customers
    Roku has shipped 8Million boxes
    AppleTV has shipped 12Million, world wide.
     

Share This Page