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Is out of home streaming a scam?

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by tamooreindy, Feb 4, 2014.

Have you attempted to use out of home streaming and succeeded?

Poll closed Feb 14, 2014.
  1. Yes, it works fantastic, this poster is full of crap.

    67.5%
  2. Yes, I tried but it wouldn't work, Tivo marketing is full of crap.

    15.0%
  3. No, I haven't tried. I'm sure someday Apple could do it if Tivo can't.

    10.0%
  4. No, I don't care about this.

    7.5%
  1. Apr 8, 2014 #141 of 165
    jimmypowder

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  2. Apr 8, 2014 #142 of 165
    dianebrat

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    So do we.. so do we.. :D
     
  3. Apr 8, 2014 #143 of 165
    jimmypowder

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    This must be the best hotel wifi on the planet. I have never seen such a good picture except with in house wifi streaming.

    OOH with 20/5 private wifi and the picture quality isnt even close to this,in my experience.
     
  4. Apr 8, 2014 #144 of 165
    Austin Bike

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    OK, I see a trend here. Seems to be working for almost everyone and with decent quality. There are a couple people having problems.

    Normally, in troubleshooting, when it works exactly as expected for most of the people, you narrow this down to an external variable that exists among those users.

    So, can we take this conversation from "Tivo isn't doing this right" to "what is is about my environment that is causing this."

    We have enough data to show that it can work right and we have dozens of variables outside of their control (your network, the hotel network, your ISP, the hotel's ISP and, quite frankly every stop in between on the intenet.

    I grow tired of people who can't get technology to work (for whatever reason) blaming the wrong thing. Let's all take a little ownership and recognize that if it isn't working right that you may be contributing to the issue in one way or another.
     
  5. Apr 8, 2014 #145 of 165
    jimmypowder

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    Every out of the home steaming device I have from Slingbox,Audiotap ,Vulkano,VNC works just fine except the TIvo ooh.

    Ive done plenty of troubleshooting and I know it's not my network

    I have 110/22 mbps speeds at my house as well .The private ooh network I use has 20/5 . I still cannot get even close to the video quality
    of this guy's hotel wifi.

    Hardwired Roamio so its not a wifi issue.
     
  6. Apr 8, 2014 #146 of 165
    ellinj

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    Is it possible your Roamio is just broken? Or your ISP is throttling certain types of connections? The hotel wifi I was using last night wasn't particularly great, but I suppose I can do a speed test tonight.
     
  7. Apr 8, 2014 #147 of 165
    moyekj

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    It's pretty likely the issue is out of jimmypowder's control, such as an issue with going through TiVo proxy server and the internet path being taken to do that. Remember, jimmypowder says the quality is fine for in home streaming, so that pretty much rules out a local network problem or an issue with the Stream hardware. Having said that, the OOH screen capture jimmypowder posted looked pretty decent to me - I've seen much worse using the Stream OOH.
     
  8. Apr 8, 2014 #148 of 165
    moyekj

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    NOTE: While streaming, a 2 finger left-to-right swipe will bring up additional statistics about the stream (at bottom of screen) which would be useful information (resolution & bitrate) to see as part of any screen capture.
     
  9. Apr 8, 2014 #149 of 165
    jimmypowder

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    That was one of the better screen captures . I have seen a lot worse too.

    Frankly , I don't even bother anymore with Tivo ooh streaming and just use my Slingbox .

    Last time I tried to yes it , setup mode came up again . This happens frequently , about 3 out of 5-6 times I've tried to
    stream .

    I have zero issues with my Slingbox or the Vulkano I have .

    Hopefully , Tive ooh streaming will get better . In house streaming looks great but I don't really use it with hdtv's
    around .
     
  10. Apr 8, 2014 #150 of 165
    ellinj

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    Not sure what all the numbers mean , but here you go.

    [​IMG]
     
  11. Apr 8, 2014 #151 of 165
    ellinj

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    and the hotel wifi not horrendous, certainly better than many I have encountered,

    [​IMG]
     
  12. Apr 8, 2014 #152 of 165
    ellinj

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    and my home internet

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  13. Apr 9, 2014 #153 of 165
    Austin Bike

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    I also stated that it could be your ISP or every stop along the way on the internet. I have seen cases where multiple applications all work fine and one does not because of the ports/settings that it relies on where the others do not. Don't rule out your network unless you are sure that all of those devices are using the same transport parameters, the same security settings and the same ports.
     
  14. Apr 9, 2014 #154 of 165
    Dan203

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    I've been watching quite a few things and for me it's aboutt he same as my old Slingbox. Now to be fair my Slingbox was an older one that was SD only, maybe they've gitten better with the newer HD ones. But for me the picture is fine for my tiny little iPad screen given that my upload speed at home is only 3-4Mbps. Also I ran a speed test and even though the hotel login page says it's capped at 1Mbps it's actually getting about 30Mbps. So I think the only reason I'm not getting full HD is because of my upload limitations on my home network side. But even though I'm only getting 5 out of 7 bars in the TiVo app it looks fine to me. It's obviously not full resolution HD, but it's more then watchable.
     
  15. Apr 9, 2014 #155 of 165
    jimmypowder

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    Yeah the Tivo is Sd quality or worse . The new
    Sling boxes have HD quality . I had an older Slingbox and all it did was buffer , poor pic,
    My 350 is amazing .
     
  16. Apr 9, 2014 #156 of 165
    ellinj

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    Agreed, a while back I spent months troubleshooting a customer who claimed the website we were developing was slow, they insisted it was our fault, even though the customer was the only one screaming about it.

    We ended up sending a network engineer out there, turns out it was a their ISP fiddling with the TCP window sizes and retries as a way to limit the bandwidth the customer was using. Once the issue was escalated to the ISP and customer actually started getting what they were paying for the problem went away.
     
  17. Apr 9, 2014 #157 of 165
    Dan203

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    I downloaded one show, at Best, to compare. It was clearer, but not by a lot especially when sitting the iPad on my knees and watching from 1-2' away. The Stream was plenty watchable to me.

    I never really had a problem with the SlingBox quality either. My biggest complaint about it was the control lag and the fact that they charged $30 for the app and you needed a different version, at $30/ea for every type of device.
     
  18. Apr 9, 2014 #158 of 165
    moyekj

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    Yes the lag with Slingbox is VERY annoying, especially when trying skip commercials.
    If you use a PC/laptop the Sling web client is free (and you can even using a hack to use web browser on Linux box as a client). The iOS/Android Sling clients are now $15.

    One can workaround the Sling lag problem by recording Sling output and then playing that back after waiting a while, but it's inconvenient to have to use web client to start playback of a show you want to watch, then switch over to kmttg and start a recording of the Sling output, then wait a while before you can start watching. The Stream is a lot more convenient OOH even though the picture quality can be pretty bad at times.

    With Sling web client recently I keep getting audio/video sync issues after a while for which I have to use trick play every few minutes to correct which is very annoying. The Stream has also been annoying lately freezing in last 2 minutes of show and not playing beyond that so that I end up missing the end of the show and having to use Sling to finish watching.

    So to me I'm not really that happy with either Stream or Sling solutions, but it's good to have option to switch between them.
     
  19. Apr 9, 2014 #159 of 165
    jimmypowder

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    This would be my only complaint with my Slingbox 350 .The controls are slow,
    delayed.

    I really cant figure out why my Tivo ooh streaming looks so bad when my current speedtest in my house in 170/23 mbps.

    The Slingbox is definitely streaming in HD.Tivo looks like SD at best.
     
  20. Gromit

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    I've had my Stream for a couple of weeks now. In home streaming is great. So far, out of home streaming sucks.

    Maybe it's the hotel wifi, but it freezes and when it's not freezing, it looks pretty bad.
     

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