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Is out of home streaming a scam?

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by tamooreindy, Feb 4, 2014.

Have you attempted to use out of home streaming and succeeded?

Poll closed Feb 14, 2014.
  1. Yes, it works fantastic, this poster is full of crap.

    67.5%
  2. Yes, I tried but it wouldn't work, Tivo marketing is full of crap.

    15.0%
  3. No, I haven't tried. I'm sure someday Apple could do it if Tivo can't.

    10.0%
  4. No, I don't care about this.

    7.5%
  1. Feb 16, 2014 #41 of 165
    moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Replay TV units supported multi-room streaming eons ago. They were the 1st to do it and TiVo was very late to the game on that one even if you count MRV instead of MRS. Of course that and other controversial features such as auto commercial skip, out of home sharing, official 30 sec skip support and jump n minutes backwards, forwards or n minutes into a recording got them into trouble and probably part of the reason TiVo has always been ultra conservative and playing nice with CableLabs. It was a fun ride however and I still miss some of the ReplayTV capabilities.
     
  2. Feb 16, 2014 #42 of 165
    Austin Bike

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    You can't hold Tivo responsible for limitations in streaming, they don't control it. There are plenty of things that can interfere with your ability to stream out of the home.

    All of this anger is misdirected. You have cable companies that are abusing their customers and you want to point the finger at Tivo?

    The speedometer in my car goes to 200MPH. I have never gotten it over 110. Does infiniti owe me an apology. Do they need to put something in their ads?
     
  3. Feb 17, 2014 #43 of 165
    jimmypowder

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    Well Tivo sure is marketing the streaming feature pretty hard but essentially it only works with network channels . For some, like me. It is worthless as I watch premium content .

    For me , the car doesn't work at all .
     
  4. Feb 17, 2014 #44 of 165
    Austin Bike

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    Again, the issue is not tivo, the issue is your cable company. If your cable company had a downed cable and was not providing a signal to your house, would this also be a Tivo issue?
     
  5. Feb 17, 2014 #45 of 165
    jimmypowder

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    Please your analogies are ludicrous
     
  6. Feb 17, 2014 #46 of 165
    Grakthis

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    No, it makes sense to me.
     
  7. Feb 17, 2014 #47 of 165
    Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    FYI the only channel that currently requires the CCI byte to be set is HBO. Most cable companies however turn it on for all premium channels. And some, like TW, turn it on for everything because they're dicks and "legally allowed" to do so. It doesn't effect their equipment because they don't offer features like TiVoToGo or OOH streaming where the CCI byte comes into play, so it's sole intention is to limit the functonality of 3rd party devices and make them less appealing.

    So the fact that the feature is worthless to you IS your cable companies fault. The fact that you didn't read the fine print and/or test it before the 30 day return period was up is your fault. Your complaint that TiVo should advertise the limitation is absurd. No company in the history of the world has gone out of their way to advertise what their product can't do.
     
  8. Feb 17, 2014 #48 of 165
    jimmypowder

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    DOn't leave material facts off the box. Thats how i see it,particularly if your gonna promote this straming feature so heavily.

    Watch tv anywhere ,wrong! You Tivo fanboys are unreal.

    Never had a chance to check out ooh as I wasnt out of town until past thirty days

    What is Tivo doing to influence the cable companies to remove the copy protection? ? You know of anything?

    Bottom line is TIvo streaming is garbage . GARBAGE!! Very happy I picked up a Slingbox 350
     
  9. Feb 17, 2014 #49 of 165
    jimmypowder

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    Explain it then .Tell me how it makes sense.
     
  10. Feb 17, 2014 #50 of 165
    jimmypowder

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    If Tivo knows companies like TW turn it on on most channels,then don't you think they would be a little careful in touting their great new feature of OOh???

    What morons would promote streaming when it doesn't even work for many of their customers bro??Isn't that inviting huge disappointment?

    Companies that do that don't survive in the long haul.
     
  11. Feb 17, 2014 #51 of 165
    Dan203

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    Don't get me wrong I understand your frustration. I just think it's misplaced. TiVo and Sling are both outsiders in this industry. If it weren't for laws put into place by the FCC we wouldn't be able to buy either one. Cable companies don't want you to buy a TiVo/Slingbox, they want you to rent their equipment and use their apps, with forced commercials. The only reason Slingbox is even capable of functioning is because of the analog hole. If you were to use HDMI instead then it would have the exact same restrictions as the TiVo streaming. And the only reason your cable box still has an analog port on it is because the FCC requires it. And that will be going away eventually. There is a provision in the law that allows cable companies to start turning off analog ports (remotely disabling them) once certain requirements are met. When that happens Slingbox will be just as useless to someone with TWC and the TiVo Streaming.

    If you're going to be pissed at someone you should be pissed at TWC. It's their sh*tty policy that makes your TiVo streaming useless. Could TiVo do a better job of explaining the limitations to potential customers? Perhaps. But it's also up to you as the buyer to do your due diligence and make sure it works before the return period is up. (you could have used cell phone tethering, neighbors wifi, work wifi, Starbucks wifi, etc... to test OOH without having to actually go on a trip)

    As to other's assertion that TiVo is just timid or spineless and are doing this as a precaution I'd like to see your proof. We don't know why they did this. For all we know they asked for permission from CableLabs and were denied. And even if they are being timid why is that a bad thing? Would you rather they say f*ck it and then get sued out of business like ReplayTV? We're talking about media giants here. Companies with enough money to sue TiVo out of existence if they wanted. To me it's understandable TiVo wants to tread lightly.
     
  12. Feb 17, 2014 #52 of 165
    kherr

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    .... as some of you say it's Tivos fault for not advertising "dependent on non-copyrighted material" or to that effect. On advertising the wireless features they don't say " dependent on location, type and strength of AP, distance ....." and 50 other things that can kill a wireless signal ......

    Your reaching ........
     
  13. Feb 18, 2014 #53 of 165
    jimmypowder

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    Why would Tivo promote the streaming feature KNOWING that TW ,Comcast customers etc are not going to be able to use it on most channels due to cable company restrictions,cable labs ? ,etc.

    Promoting a feature that many of your customers can't use or for the most part can't use is a recipe for pissed off customers.

    Here's the front page of their website! http://www.tivo.com/discover/tivo-anywhere I wouldn't be so proud.
     
  14. Feb 18, 2014 #54 of 165
    jrtroo

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    Believe what you will, but TW is the one to be POd at. Just so you know, Comcast is very free with streaming except where they are limited for the movie channels.

    Your energy to complain about the marketing of this feature is fantastic. Why don't you use that energy with TW or the FCC so that Tivo can be permitted to provide you with this service? They want you to have it.
     
  15. Feb 18, 2014 #55 of 165
    moyekj

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    Believe it or not the web sites have improved in that they now make it clear this is iOS only functionality. Used to be very little if any mention of this not working on Android.

    I see some places they do mention the limitations, for example as part of the FAQ:
    https://www.tivo.com/shop/roamio#tab4
    So while the information is not provided up front, it is covered in FAQ, so those who really do due diligence would know about the limitations.
     
  16. Feb 18, 2014 #56 of 165
    Grakthis

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    TiVo provides functionality that is dependent on the cable company acting in good faith to its customers. If the cable company fails that duty, then it is hardly TiVo's fault that the cable company has cut them off at the knees. Why do we blame TiVo for that?

    It's an apt analogy.

    I mean, I try my best not to be a TiVo apologist and to blame them where it's due... but in this case, we literally have a cable company that has chosen to side with its content providers OVER its customers. Which is a HUGE sign of a monopolistic interest and a sign that the monopoly is getting too large to regulate and needs to be broken down.
     
  17. Feb 18, 2014 #57 of 165
    Dan203

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    TWC is the ONLY cable company that does this nationwide.* There are a few places where Comcast and COX have the same restrictions, but this is due to a local decision/configuration it's not a company policy. TWC made it nationwide company policy to enable the CCI byte on all channels they are legally allowed to, specifically to limit the appeal of 3rd party devices. If you call them and complain they will simply say that they are doing what the law allows them to do. They don't care about their customers. They know they have a monopoly in most areas. All they care about is $$$ and by limiting the appeal of 3rd party devices they make it so people are more likely to rent equipment from them.

    * Brighthouse does this too, but they are a subsidiary of TWC
     
  18. Feb 18, 2014 #58 of 165
    dianebrat

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    EXACTLY! and TWC is not a majority of cable subscribers, while it sucks to be a TWC subscriber hit by this, the majority of users out there are not affected by this issue. I'm not saying it's not a real issue, just that it's not a majority of users.
     
  19. Feb 24, 2014 #59 of 165
    waynomo

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    So the TWC/Comcast merger could be a good thing for users that want to stream.
     
  20. Feb 24, 2014 #60 of 165
    jrtroo

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    Or bad for those who can stream with Comcast today if the TW policy becomes the Comcast policy.
     

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