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Is out of home streaming a scam?

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by tamooreindy, Feb 4, 2014.

Have you attempted to use out of home streaming and succeeded?

Poll closed Feb 14, 2014.
  1. Yes, it works fantastic, this poster is full of crap.

    67.5%
  2. Yes, I tried but it wouldn't work, Tivo marketing is full of crap.

    15.0%
  3. No, I haven't tried. I'm sure someday Apple could do it if Tivo can't.

    10.0%
  4. No, I don't care about this.

    7.5%
  1. Feb 10, 2014 #21 of 165
    moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    I'm fairly confident even then there will at least be a market for HDMI->component converters (even if it's a black market).
     
  2. Feb 10, 2014 #22 of 165
    bootman_head_fi

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    Get a home router with built in VPN and use that with your tablet/phone. (ASUS)
    Problem solved. :)
     
  3. Feb 10, 2014 #23 of 165
    StevesWeb

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    I don't see this affecting OTA reception of ATSC digital broadcasts, but otherwise I'm sure you are spot on as far as cable and satellite providers are concerned.

    Where the interests of consumers are pitted against corporations...

    The OP has a legitimate gripe, TiVo should provide more information about the limitations of their streaming, but the source of this problem is actually the provider OP is using, smells like Time Warner.
     
  4. Feb 10, 2014 #24 of 165
    Dan203

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    There are laws that prevent anything broadcast via public airwaves from being protected. There was something called the Broadcast Flag the OTA providers tried to get enforced a few years ago but it was struck down by a federal appeals court. So OTA is likely to always be open even if we transition to HDMI. Cable on the other hand has the ability to protect anything they want. The only content provider that currently requires protection is HBO, but most protect all premium channels, and some protect everything but the locals.

    Our only hope is that someone in the canle industry develops their own OOH streaming capabilities that support protected content, so TiVo has precedent. Or that TiVo sacks up and allows it and just hopes they don't get sued.
     
  5. Feb 10, 2014 #25 of 165
    Dan203

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    You're probably right. Someone cracked HDCP a few years ago and there are already black market devices that can strip it, so there will likely always be a way. But average users aren't going to know about that or seek it out.
     
  6. Feb 13, 2014 #26 of 165
    jimmypowder

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    Tivo should(not sure if it does) put on every Roamio box in bold print that some channels are copyright protected and cannot be streamed.
     
  7. Feb 13, 2014 #27 of 165
    Dan203

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    Companies don't typically advertise limitations. At best it will be in some fine print with an asterisk next to it.
     
  8. Feb 13, 2014 #28 of 165
    jimmypowder

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    Well many people who are not familiar with streaming limitations are gonna be quite disappointed if this info is withheld.

    Furthermore,Tivo was marketing the streaming feature pretty hard from what I recall.
     
  9. Feb 14, 2014 #29 of 165
    Dan203

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    I agree there will be disappointed people. And those people have the option of returning it for a full refund in the first 30 days. No reason for TiVo to put big bold letters on the box explaining what it can't do. That might scare off customers who it would work for but don't understand the terminology.
     
  10. Feb 14, 2014 #30 of 165
    aadam101

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    Why? This isn't the case for everyone. If you have issues with copy protection, you should contact the people who are "protecting" the content.

    My Tivo also doesn't make my breakfast. I don't expect Tivo to tell me that.
     
  11. Feb 15, 2014 #31 of 165
    jimmypowder

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    Tivo has some responsibility in making the copy protection on many channels known to prospective buyers . It is a major limitation of their highly marketed streaming feature . Ridiculous analogy about breakfast .

    The streaming feature on a Tivo is pretty much worthless except for network channels . That's why someone started a post about it being a scam .
     
  12. Feb 15, 2014 #32 of 165
    jrtroo

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    You certainly need to be way more specific before complaining about "streaming" you are talking OOH and not in home or from box to box. Its is misleading, which is what you are accusing Tivo of!
     
  13. Feb 15, 2014 #33 of 165
    jimmypowder

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    Ok I'll spell it out for you : I'm talkng about OOH streaming . If I had known about all the copy protection on virtually all but network channels I would have bought a Roamio Basic not one with built in Tivo stream . That's about a 100 dollar or so savings. I then went out and bought a Slingbox for 150 bucks and the Apple apps for 30 bucks . I could have saved about almost 300 bucks if I had known the severe limitations of Tivo Ooh streaming .
     
  14. Feb 15, 2014 #34 of 165
    Dan203

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    How would you have saved $300? You still would have bought the Slingbox and Apple apps if you had the Roamio basic. So the only savings is the difference in price between the TiVos. And you would have had 2 less tuners and 1/2 the hard drive space.
     
  15. Feb 15, 2014 #35 of 165
    jimmypowder

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    Ok 200 . Don't care about extra tuners and hard drive space . Would have had plenty with the Basic for me .

    Enough to buy an extra Roamio Basic!
     
  16. Feb 15, 2014 #36 of 165
    Dan203

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    I assume you're in a TW area? Maybe when Comcast takes over they will turn off the CCI byte and you'll be able to stream most of your channels.

    While I would love it if even protected content could be streamed OOH we don't really know the circumstances under which this decision was made. There are no rules about OOH streaming in the CableCARD mandate, so TiVo is striking out into uncharted areas with this. They may be playing it safe, or they may have asked for permission from CableLabs and got denied. The point is we don't know so accusing them of being "timid" is not really fair as we don't have all the facts.

    If a cable company ever starts offering OOH streaming from a DVR then TiVo will have precedent and they'll be able to follow suit.
     
  17. Feb 15, 2014 #37 of 165
    jimmypowder

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    They are timid IMO. How long did it take before you could watch a show you taped on one Tivo that was copy protected on another Tivo .How were you gonna somehow steal something in that scenario?

    It took many many years. I can do this now with a Tivo Premier and Roamio,finally.
     
  18. Feb 15, 2014 #38 of 165
    moyekj

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    There's a 30 day return policy. If the Roamio you bought didn't meet your expectations then why did you not return it? That's best way to send TiVo a message you are unhappy with advertised vs delivered. If I buy something with the expectation that a specific feature will be available, I make sure I test it out as soon as possible to confirm it meets my expectations.
     
  19. Feb 15, 2014 #39 of 165
    jimmypowder

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    I would have but did not try the OOH streaming until past the 30 day window.

    I didn't get the chance.

    I have a home office .Very busy.
     
  20. Feb 16, 2014 #40 of 165
    Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    That was a little different. Until the Remiere line the hardware was not actually fast enough to support streaming. With the S3/HD units it took more then realtime to transfer just one recording. Although in that case they might have been waiting for precedent. There were some other DVRs doing multi-room streaming by the time TiVo added it.
     

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