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Is now the time to buy?

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by heh3d, Jul 11, 2013.

  1. CoxInPHX

    CoxInPHX COX Communications

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    The Elite IS the Premiere XL4 they just changed the name. An Elite would be an older unit manufactured before approx July 2012, all Refurbs from TiVo will most likely have an XL4 name plate.

    What is TiVo asking for a Factory Refurbished XL4? You can get a new one from Amazon for $300.

    Would you use the MoCA adapter? If not then I wouldn't choose that bundle option, pure Ethernet is better and simpler if Ethernet is an option.

    A Factory Refurbished unit from TiVo does carry the same warranty as a new unit, and is eligible for the same extended warranty, so that should not be an issue.

    TiVo has an $80 off Premiere 4/XL4 and Mini Bundle also
    http://www3.tivo.com/promo/minidvrbundles/index.html?WT.ac=tivohome_mantle_minidvrbundles
     
  2. Rose4uKY

    Rose4uKY Member

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    Thank You So Much! I forgot what they offered me for the Factory Renewed with Mocha and new without. I just called them back and there not their yet. My boyfriend said we may not need the Mocha but to take it if it's free but if I am better off getting a new than a factory renewed I will. I think one was 369 with Mocha and the other was 349 without I think. He said the renewed is not a refurb I don't know he said it's different. So If I am going to have 3 TV"s and 2 minis in the bedroom if it were you would you sell your other Tivo with the lifetime or keep it just in case. I don't know what to do. My one without lifetime I'm gonna try to get a 100 for it but if I sell the Lifetime I'll try for 200. I'll also check Amazon is 300 for the latest one with 2000 hours/ 300 HD hours. I'll never have to worry about anything recording with that no more message telling me I need to delete this to record this.
    Thanks Again!

    Edit: Ok turns out Amazon was a 100 cheaper but than my monthly would be 14.99. If I get rid of my one Tivo that I was paying 6.95 on and keep my Lifetime and my boyfriend can get rid of his which was 9.95 a month and I transfer service to new box from my grandfathered in 6.95 box I can get the new Premiere XL4 paying regular price but pay 6.95 a month over 14.99. So I hope I did the right thing I paid 399 plus bought 2 mini's and I am getting a brand new box and he still through in a free moca adapter and a Point Of Interest thing we need. He said you've been a customer for 10 years so I hope I did the right thing. Was considering Dish and the Hopper with there Joey's but have had and liked Tivo for so long that were sticking it out. I love Tivo so I hope I got a decent deal. And if I can at least sell my one Tivo for a 100 bucks that's not lifetime that will help. And my boyfriend maybe can sell his too. Thanks Again for your input I appreciate it.


     
  3. riz

    riz New Member

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    Do you guys the the s5 will will have software features that will NOT work on my XL4?
     
  4. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    If anybody gives you a answer they would be guessing, nobody who does know will post that information on this forum.
     
  5. monkeydust

    monkeydust New Member

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    Based on what the S4 has versus the S3, I'd have to guess "yes".
     
  6. Rose4uKY

    Rose4uKY Member

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    I have two more questions one since I'm moving in with my boyfriend and we both have lots of different season passes is there a way to separate like have his seasons passes in one folder maybe and mine in another. Or are we both going to see each others season passes in the now now playing list? Just got word my Tivo Premiere and Mini's were shipped today just ordered and I am not moving till next Friday. It's going to be so nice to just go to any Tivo in my new condo and watch any recorded show. Now I have to transfer from one Tivo to the other.. But will I still be able to transfer shows to my computer? I have Tivo desktop but will probably buy the plus for converting and I want to be able to put a show on my internet tablet which is Android so I can watch at work on my break. Also I just watched this video on the TiVo Mini's so they need cable cards too and is it a single or multi? Thanks!
     
  7. CoxInPHX

    CoxInPHX COX Communications

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    There is no way to seperate Season Passes or My Shows it will only be one list. TiVo never did release the User profiles.

    The Mini does not need a CableCARD, not sure what video you saw, but it wasn't the TiVo Mini. All a Mini needs is either a MoCA connection or an Ethernet connection.
    http://www.tivo.com/assets/pdfs/products/Mini_Start_Here_Poster.pdf
     
  8. t1voproof

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    I would buy now and include lifetime. You can sell later and at least break even if you choose to upgrade.
     
  9. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    In the short term probably not. Right now the Mini and the Premiere units run the same software, so it's likely the new units will be synced to the same version as well. (or more likely all boxes will be synced to whatever version the new box ships with)

    However the new boxes will have much faster hardware so long term they may start adding features that are only capable of running on the new hardware.

    No one really knows except TiVo what their plans are for the Premiere going forward. But given how many they have deployed to cable partners they may be obligated to support them a big longer then they have in the past.
     
  10. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Cox Cable...
    That seems like a double-edged sword: The whole partner thing. TiVo seems to drop the ball on the retail consumers when they are distracted with lawsuits and other business matters. Let's hope they got/get better at juggling...

    EDIT/ADD: Then again, maybe I'm just still miffed a bit over all the Premieres I ran out and bought when both TiVo and Cox said they had an agreement to do On-Demand, then it never happened, and each side still blames the other for it not happening... Yet, the press-release for it is still on TiVo's website, like they leave it there for good PR, for those who don't know it never actually happened...
     
  11. garycase

    garycase New Member

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    Considering buying a Premier (or two) ... but have some questions about long term archival storage.

    => What are the restrictions on transferring shows to a PC via Tivo Desktop? I know shows you can't transfer are marked -- but since I don't have a Tivo unit yet, I have no idea how common that is. Are most major network shows freely transferrable? Cable networks? etc. I'd guess that the restrictions are primarily on premium channels (HBO, etc.), but would appreciate some feedback from those of you who have these units.

    => Is there a limit on the size of the datastore for Tivo Desktop? i.e. if I map a drive to a large RAID array [e.g. 10TB or larger] will it work okay with that?

    => Can you watch shows saved on a PC from another PC that's also running Tivo Desktop?

    => Basically the "Tivo infrastructure" I'm thinking about is a new 4-tuner XL4, with a bunch of PCs running Tivo Desktop. My understanding is this will let me watch anything that's recorded from any PC on our network. Is this correct? The 2nd part of that is to transfer everything we want to keep for a while to the main Tivo Desktop system (with the BIG storage array), so it doesn't have to occupy space on the XL4. I'd appreciate any feedback on whether or not this will all work okay as I'm planning it. [e.g. do shows transferred to a PC via Tivo Desktop have to stay on the XL4? ... which would, of course, kill my idea !!]
     
  12. CoxInPHX

    CoxInPHX COX Communications

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    The first Question is who is your Cable Provider, and City.

    With Cox and TWC basically everything except the Local stations are copy protected and cannot be transfers off the TiVo, to a PC or even another TiVo. Copy protected recordings can only be Streamed between Premieres and a Mini using TiVo's Multi-Room Streaming.

    For transferring non-copy protected recordings you will want to look at KMTTG and pyTivo along with Streambaby, also, will make life much easier.
     
  13. ggieseke

    ggieseke Active Member

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    There are no size limits, and you can watch the recordings on another PC as long as Desktop is installed and set to the same Media Access Key.
     
  14. CoxInPHX

    CoxInPHX COX Communications

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  15. mattack

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    For *many* people, only premium channels (e.g. HBO) are protected. I think that's the case for me, though I have a smaller set of channels than I used to at my previous house (though I still have HBO due to a package deal). As someone else said, some cable networks protect even more.

    They are legally required to NOT protect the cable versions of broadcast channels, so you can complain to the FCC if those are protected.

    The "datastore" is just a drive you connect to your computer. After you download (and decrypt) the files, they're just regular MPEG files.
     
  16. CoxInPHX

    CoxInPHX COX Communications

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    Closeout???
    Price just keeps dropping, How low will it go?
    Dropped another $15 now $274.85
    http://www.amazon.com/TiVo-Premiere-TCD758250-Digital-Recorder/dp/B005TI1ILS/

    Best Buy appears to be out of stock.
    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Premiere+High-Definition+Digital+Video+Recorder/3438692.p?
     
  17. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    Paradise...
    Yeah I could've sworn I saw the XL4 on Amazon new for ~$223 a day or so ago!
     
  18. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I'm sure they're trying to get rid of stock. Rumor has it the new S5 will be released in the next couple months.
     
  19. Rose4uKY

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    I just bought a new Premiere I guess it's the XL 4 the 300 hour one and I was told I couldn't keep my 6.95 if I bought from Amazon and they knocked 50 bucks off the price and I got 2 minis and they gave me a free Moca so that wasn't bad. I've been with them for 10 years and stuck with them over the Hopper and Joeys. I love the new Premiere over my series 3 and we still can't get over how many shows we have and only 13% full. I have 66 HD shows when before I only could have 20 and never had it over 10-15 to save space LOL! This thing is awesome!

     
  20. HenryFarpolo

    HenryFarpolo New Member

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    The XL4 is $266 today on Amazon with free shipping if you have a Prime acct.
     

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