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Is Netflix available on TiVo Mini?

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by buscuitboy, Mar 13, 2013.

  1. Aug 11, 2013 #41 of 116
    NoVa

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    Yes the beta testers are us :cool:

    Anyhow, not going to look a gift horse in the mouth but once again, TiVo couldn't give us a heads up or at least optimized their offerings...is that too much to ask?:confused:
     
  2. Aug 11, 2013 #42 of 116
    tivoboy

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    I saw this this morning, tested it a bit, boom it crashes the box pretty quickly. Haven't tried forcing the TV to only do 720p, but I think there is a way to force the netflix stream to only do 720p so that might be easier.
     
  3. Aug 11, 2013 #43 of 116
    aaronwt

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    Just uncheck 1080P24 as an output option for the TiVo Mini and it won't reboot. It will then play the 1080P streams, but the Mini will scale it down to 1080i or 720P for output.
     
  4. Aug 12, 2013 #44 of 116
    Cheezmo

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    My Mini doesn't even have the "Available From..." section on the Browse TV & Movies screen. It shows it is running software version 20.3.1-01-6-A92 and successfully connected to the network this morning.

    What am I missing?
     
  5. Aug 12, 2013 #45 of 116
    Dan203

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    Do you have Netflix enabled on the host TiVo? I believe the Mini will only show apps that are enabled on the host TiVo.
     
  6. Aug 12, 2013 #46 of 116
    Cheezmo

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    Yes it is. I even launched it on my Premiere XL4 to make sure it was set up. I also noticed that Hulu+ does not show up on my Premiere.

    I went to the website and made sure that "enable video downloads" was turned on. It is for the premiere, but the Mini says "n/a".
     
  7. Aug 12, 2013 #47 of 116
    Dan203

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    Maybe a reboot of the Mini is in order? Or the host? Or both?
     
  8. Aug 12, 2013 #48 of 116
    Cheezmo

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    I found where Hulu was disabled on the Premiere, turned all the video providers on, then rebooted the mini. Still no Netflix on the mini (Hulu+ did show up there). I guess rebooting the Premiere (will wait until nothing is recording) is my next thing to try.
     
  9. Aug 13, 2013 #49 of 116
    davezatz

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    Nah, they pulled the whole menu item from the Mini. Assume they'll work out the kinks and then launch for reals with a press release or some such.
     
  10. Aug 13, 2013 #50 of 116
    tivoboy

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    Yeah, mine is gone too. :-(
     
  11. Aug 14, 2013 #51 of 116
    HarperVision

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    You're not scaling down the resolution at all going from 1080P24 to 1080i, it's still 1920x1080 pixels. You're just changing the refresh/frame rate.
     
  12. Aug 14, 2013 #52 of 116
    aaronwt

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    I suppose I should have said it would interlace the 1080P content to 1080i.
     
  13. Aug 14, 2013 #53 of 116
    Dan203

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    Actually it's a bit more complicated then that. Converting 1080p@24fps to 1080i@29.97fps requires a technique called telecine. You probably remember back in the DVD days when progressive DVD players used something called 3:2 pull down? Well that's also called reverse telecine. DVDs required 29.97fps interlaced video so movies were telecined during authoring to convert them from 24fps to 29.97fps. With BluRay and Netflix the source is left at 24fps so the playback device has to apply telecine on the fly for 1080i output. Since it's not an exact conversion it can cause some quality issues. So whenever possible you should use 1080p@24 for watching movies.
     
  14. Aug 14, 2013 #54 of 116
    stoli412

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    I'll just add the caveat that you need to have a display that properly supports 1080p24. This isn't a feature on many low-end or mid-range displays and/or is implemented very poorly on others.
     
  15. Aug 14, 2013 #55 of 116
    Dan203

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    Yes you need a TV with a refresh rate of at least 120Hz otherwise a similar conversion is just happening inside the TV instead. With a 120Hz TV the math is even, they can simply display each frame for 5 cycles of the clock. With a 60Hz TV it's not even so they're back to using a 2:3 conversion to make it work out which can result in some stuttering, especially on smooth pans.
     
  16. Aug 14, 2013 #56 of 116
    HarperVision

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    Thanks for preaching to the choir! ;-) I was trying to keep it simple. Refresh rates of 48, 72 and 96Hz work as well. I used to love setting up the old CRT projection systems with 48Hz to simulate movie theater film flicker! We at TAW, Inc. were one of, if not the first, consumer video companies to introduce these refresh rates as multiples of film's 24 Hz to get rid of judder. It was a feature in our TAW Rock+ scaler known as "Judder Terminator". Using the output of that device into the TAW-HD900 CRT at 48Hz was such a cool effect!
     
  17. Aug 17, 2013 #57 of 116
    kherr

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    Let's not forget Amazon Prime Instant (Premiere included).........

    Amazon has a teaser logo making it look like it is supports Tivo but has a grayed disclaimer that Tivo is not supported ......... so why even have the logo there ?????
     
  18. Aug 17, 2013 #58 of 116
    monkeydust

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    Yeah, I'm wondering if Amazon Prime instant will be available on the mini and not the Premiere. I may have to move the Mini into the bedroom and the Premiere to the basement if that's the case. May be that way since apps on the Premiere are so freakin slow.
     
  19. Aug 18, 2013 #59 of 116
    Dan203

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    I could see them releasing an Amazon Prime app for the Mini and new S5 only. They have much better hardware and should be able to run the app much better then the Premiere. If the hold up has anything to do with hardware then once the S5 is released I suspect we'll see something from Amazon.

    Although I hope they retain some way to do the download method for rentals and purchases.
     
  20. Aug 18, 2013 #60 of 116
    sbiller

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    Agreed. Seems possible that Amazon wouldn't want to release a Prime Streaming app to an underpowered platform.
     

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