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Is Clear QAM support a dead issue?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by dbtom, Nov 26, 2010.

  1. Dec 6, 2010 #101 of 115

    lessd Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2005
    And people reading your post should put this issue and Thread to bed as IMHO it would not be in TiVos interest to get involve in this.
  2. Dec 6, 2010 #102 of 115

    wmcbrine Ziphead

    Aug 2, 2003
    Another reason is to intentionally screw with clear QAM users.
  3. Dec 6, 2010 #103 of 115

    CharlesH Member TCF Club

    Aug 29, 2002
    That may just be a convenient (for them) side effect. If there was never any requirement for them to maintain a stable logical-physical channel mapping, why (from their perspective) shouldn't they tweak the mapping whenever they see some, no matter how trivial, technical reason to do so?
  4. Dec 7, 2010 #104 of 115

    jrm01 New Member

    Oct 17, 2003
    Sorry, but I'm still in the camp that believes that TiVo could provide some form of clear-QAM channel suport. It wouldn't be 100% and it wouldn't be guaratnteed, but it should at least comprehend whenever local HD channels are carried on OTA-equivalent channel numbers.

    Two years ago I filed a complaint with the FCC since my local Comcast was "hiding" these local HD channels with numbers like 73-2304. I also filed with the local Franchise Authority. Comcast met with the Authority (to whom I provided some ammunition) and they agreed to move them to OTA-equivalent numbers. They've been that way now for 18 months.

    It can't happen everywhere, but it can happen.
  5. Dec 7, 2010 #105 of 115

    Stormspace Electrocuted by TiVo

    Apr 13, 2004
    Hartsville, SC
    I think its trivial to make this happen, however I can't see a way that it wouldn't feel tacked on to the current menus(kinda like all the video on demand stuff). I also think that TiVo has dragged it's feet on this so long now that if they were to create a solution it wouldn't last long before something else broke it.
  6. Dec 7, 2010 #106 of 115

    dbtom Member

    Feb 14, 2002
    New York City
    All the settings menus in the Premiere seem tacked on :)
  7. Dec 7, 2010 #107 of 115

    Stormspace Electrocuted by TiVo

    Apr 13, 2004
    Hartsville, SC

    Now all the fan boi's will be gunning for you. ;)
  8. Dec 7, 2010 #108 of 115

    smbaker Well-Known Member

    May 24, 2003
    I'm all for making such an option a bit hard to find. I've always thought power-user level features deserve a bit of an intelligence test to activate them.

    Given that the pool of unencrypted channels is shrinking and will eventually be equal to only the set of local channels for most people, the incentive for Tivo to do this is declining. If they didn't do it four years ago, they certainly wouldn't do it now.
  9. TWinbrook46636

    TWinbrook46636 New Member

    Feb 8, 2008
    It's a shame. For the past two years all my local HD channels have scanned in via ClearQAM with the correct channel numbers and the correct channel identification/call letters. They can even be added to the guide but will forever display "to be announced" in the listings. I cannot receive all of these via Antenna so it's an extra $10+ a month (two CableCARDs and an extra outlet fee) if I want to watch them.
  10. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

    Sep 19, 2006
    In the ATL
    It's a shame that folks keep posting about this dead horse.
  11. JWThiers

    JWThiers Smartypants

    Apr 12, 2005
    Cocoa, Florida
  12. Jeeters

    Jeeters Registered Snoozer

    Feb 25, 2003
    It's almost as bad as the folks that keep posting about beating this dead horse. :rolleyes:
  13. sgip2000

    sgip2000 New Member

    Jun 19, 2009
    My apartment complex pays for my basic cable package. I just had to add the cable card.

    Just call and tell them that the landlord pays for the cable, they should know how to add the cable card.
  14. May 1, 2012 #114 of 115

    sbourgeo Hepcat Daddio

    Nov 10, 2000
    New England
    Well, it appears that I was finally desperate enough. :eek: I got a letter from Comcast warning of an impending digital migration, so I went to the local Comcast office and picked up a cable card self-install kit. Other than having difficulty understanding the off-shore CSR on the phone, the cable card pairing seemed to work OK.

    Of course, my Windows 7 Media Center pc continues to work very well with the Comcast clear QAM channels (thank you PSIP data) as it has from day one. :D
  15. May 4, 2012 #115 of 115
    Phantom Gremlin

    Phantom Gremlin New Member

    Jun 20, 2002
    I just went thru a self-install migration from Frontier FiOS to Comcast myself. Just a few notes that may help others:

    1st CableCARD installed required escalation to 2nd level tech support; local channels worked but none of the other channels (e.g. like CNBC) I was paying for. The tech wound up sending an "initialization" signal that got everything functional.

    I did my subsequent cards the next day. They wouldn't even show locals, even though the Conditional Access screen changed from "Con: No" to "Con: Yes" after Comcast tried to pair the cards. They were going to escalate me to 2nd level tech support but they said their procedure was to ask for a reboot of the TiVos first. So I hung up and rebooted my TiVo HDs and everything started working.

    TiVo has excellent CableCARD troubleshooting info on their site. I don't have the URL handy, but I found it on another thread here (perhaps in the Series3 forum). Using TiVo's site I was able to tell the Comcast 2nd level tech that my authorization said "Auth: MP" instead of "Auth: S" (and TiVo's site mentions this as a problem). I'd like to think that actually helped Comcast, but in reality what the tech probably did was send a series of various "hits" and "initializations", one of which did the trick. All the Comcast CableCARDs are previously used, so of course they are always suspect in my estimation.

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