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Is AT&T an exempt cable company?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Lyrical1, Feb 10, 2014.

  1. Bigg

    Bigg On the fence to being a cord-cutter.

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    Well, there you go. Are they still required to do CableCards if they got SDV working through software with TiVo and MCE, since those are the only two platforms that could use TAs anyways?

    The whole idea of them was stupid, since you cut both VOD and the DVR out of the picture. If they could have supported 2-way communication to work with VOD and a network DVR, then they would have started to make sense.

    The only reason to use CableCard is to use a TiVo or MCE machine, as otherwise, you're just getting LESS functionality.

    Small TVs are even harder to put CableCards in, as they are cheaper in the first place, would drive up the costs of making them, and a lot of them are probably connected to either DTA's, which are cheaper than CableCards, or multi-room DVRs, and CableCard TVs aren't DVRs.
     
  2. JosephB

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    CableCard TVs make even MORE sense today in the analog to digital switchover than before because the DTAs that cable companies are sending out to analog-only customers do not do SDV do not have guides and do not do any two way. They are one way, non SDV CableCard tuners. They really shot themselves in the foot on that one. If they had embraced CableCard, they could have shifted the cost of the tuner for basic cable subs onto the subs themselves.
     
  3. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Exactly. For cheap secondary TVs CableCARDs are just as functional as the cheap DTAs and are actually cheaper in most cases. (Usually $2-$3 instead of $5). And because the require no wiring they make a much cleaner install.
     
  4. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    I have a cable card HDTV (that now I don't use a cable card in), it is in a guest bedroom connected to a TP without a sub that I use as a tuner (with that cable card) as you get at least the channel title like HBO etc that one never got with just the TV and cable card, also the HDTH uses 25 watts when off to keep the cable card powered. (I unplug both the TV and TP unless I have a guest coming).
    To me a cable card HDTV makes no sense for many reasons including not being able to handle the SDV cable systems (that I don't have), I guess they could build a cable card HDTV with a USB port able to handle the TA but that system would still makes no sense to me.
     
  5. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    The problem is that CableCARD TVs never kept pace with CableCARD technology. The one you have is old from the early days of CableCARDs. I assume a newer one would have a rudimentary guide, a USB for TA if needed, H.264 support, and multi-stream support so you could use PIP if you wanted. Without a TA install would be a lot cleaner, especially if you are hanging the TV on a wall.
     
  6. Bigg

    Bigg On the fence to being a cord-cutter.

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    Except a DTA is $2/mo, whereas a CableCard is $7 or $8/mo, so the DTA makes a LOT more sense. If you're going to pay for a CableCard, you may as well get another box for that TV.

    Pretty sure they don't exist at all anymore. They were just so pointless. Much better to have either a TiVo Mini or the MSO's multi-room DVR solution plugged in.
     
  7. LoadStar

    LoadStar LOAD"*",8,1

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    Not in all places. Here, CableCARDs are $2.50. As for DTAs, they are are $1 here. (Yet another reason I dread Comcast buying TWC, if Comcast is indeed charging $7-8/mo for a CableCARD. Yikes.)

    I'm fairly convinced that the only reason DTAs are relatively inexpensive is that they are under extreme political pressure to make sure they don't disenfranchise customers, primarily older customers, who are accustomed to "cable-ready" TVs that they could just plug into a wall and use without additional equipment. Left to their own devices, MSO's would probably charge as much or more for DTAs as they do for CableCARDs.
    As with the others, I disagree with the pointless comment.

    Putting aside the cost aspect, for a secondary room where you don't necessarily need all that a TiVo or a MSO set-top box provides, a CableCard-integrated TV would have been a perfect option (if not for SDV, of course). Simply slide the CableCard into the TV, and you could then just plug it into the coax outlet in the wall. Very simple, and it would approximate how "cable-ready" TVs have worked for years.

    I've got one TV in my house that I watch on a regular basis, and of course I have a TiVo hooked up to that. I also have another TV that I rarely watch, but it's nice to have there when I'm working in that area. That TV has a DTA hooked up to it, but if a CableCARD TV were still an option, that would be preferable to me; it would do everything the DTA does now, with less wiring mess.
     
  8. HerronScott

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

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    Comcast CableCard costs vary by franchise. Our price is $1.15 per card with the first one free in a device that requires 2 and that's dropping to $1.00 per card next month.

    They do charge $9.95 for additional digital outlet service but this is the same if you used their DVR as well.

    Scott
     
  9. LoadStar

    LoadStar LOAD"*",8,1

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    Geez. And people are OK with Comcast? Holy hell. $10 "additional outlet service"? Ridiculous. And people give TWC crap. At least I can have unlimited outlets without getting charged extra for them. WTF.

    But that's a topic for a different thread, I suppose.
     
  10. ajwees41

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    Cox is $1.99/card and free SDV adapters.
     
  11. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Must be based on company. Here a CableCARD is only $2/mo and they don't offer DTAs so you have to get a real box for every room which is $5/mo.
     
  12. HerronScott

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    That's an additional digital outlet where you get full service either with your own equipment or with their cable box or DVR. DTA outlets with limited basic are $1.99 which includes the DTA (up to 2 additional and then an additional $0.50 for each above that).

    According to TWC's website for your city, additional outlets with cable boxes are $19.99 which seems comparable to what it would be with Comcast ($19.90 for the first with a cable box but then only $9.95 for any above that which would be cheaper than TWC).

    "For every cable box you need an outlet. 1 outlet is included, each additional is $19.99."

    Note that I'm not getting charged an additional digital outlet fee for my second S3 OLED with 2 CableCards but that doesn't seem to be the same for all franchises.

    Scott
     
  13. LoadStar

    LoadStar LOAD"*",8,1

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    I actually have one TiVo HD with CableCARD and tuning adapter, one TiVo Roamio with CableCARD and tuning adapter, and one DTA. I've never been charged an additional outlet cost.
     
  14. tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Active Member

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    Please provide a link to TWC's website that says there is an additional outlet fee in some markets. I've never heard of such a thing with Time Warner.
     
  15. LoadStar

    LoadStar LOAD"*",8,1

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    Ah-hah... found where he quoted that from... but he is misunderstanding, or (I hope) less likely, deliberately misleading.

    The $19.99 cost is a one-time cost for a technician to install a brand new outlet, not a monthly additional outlet cost. You can tell because the immediate next line is "*Note: most home outlets are pre-wired for cable and don’t require service tech installation."

    (You can also tell because the only place that line appears is on the new service order form...)
     
  16. Bigg

    Bigg On the fence to being a cord-cutter.

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    Interesting. I'm pretty happy with a total monthly cost of -$2.50. If I need more tuners, I can just get a Roamio Plus or Pro. With 6-tuner systems available for MCE and TiVo, there is little reason to have more than one.

    TVs are worthless without a DVR, and other than DirecTV's system with a few Samsung sets, that's going to require some sort of box. Hence why CableCard TVs are pointless.]

    You'd still have to have a CableCard or box. Or a TiVo Mini, which would be the same as Comcast or FIOS.
     
  17. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    That may be true to you but a LOT of people still watch live TV.

    The original intention of the CableCARD mandate was to replicate "cable ready" TVs in a digital world. The cable companies made it so difficult to get and install one, and then limited their functionality even further with SDV, that that intention was never met. But these days with cable companies going all digital and breaking people's "cable ready" TVs the main reason for having CableCARD TVs is coming back around.
     
  18. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    Cable ready TV are not coming back, I have one (I don't use anymore) and you can't tell what ch your on as there is no information beyond the ch number, I guess many ch tell you in the right bottom of the screen, but not all do. The cost savings of getting a cable card for your HDTV and getting a cable box is not that much and then you do get VOD and other services like caller ID on your TV etc.
     
  19. LoadStar

    LoadStar LOAD"*",8,1

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    This is no different than the DTAs, nor any different than what people were accustomed to with the old "cable-ready" TVs.
    Here:
    CableCARD - $2.50
    Basic Cable Box - $10

    That's a $90 difference after just one year.
     
  20. tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Active Member

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    On TWC, a CableCard is $2.50/month and a cable box is $10.95/month, so the difference is $8.45/month which translates into $101.40/year per TV. That seems like a pretty significant savings to me.
     

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