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iPad app now supports Series 3

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by bradleys, Jul 12, 2011.

  1. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    When TiVo agreed to add ios app support to the S3/HD series boxes they made it very clear that the functionality would be significantly limited. This is no suprise.

    Bottom line, the OS on the Permier has a large number of data services that can be leveraged by an external device - these services do not exist on the older units.

    That is the facts of life of a legacy device...
     
  2. HeatherA

    HeatherA Old AVS Forum Member

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    Well this app doesn't work on the 2 iPhones in my household we've downloaded it on. It says that network access isn't enabled for our premiere, however it is because my iPad (non-updated version of app) works just as it always has. I'm afraid to update the iPad and lose the ability to use it with my premiere too. Has anyone else run into this?

    Update: I did update the app on my iPad and get the same message. It only sees the series 3 on my network. I'm re-booting my TiVo right now to see if I can get it working, otherwise I'll revert to the old version of the app and wait for the next update.

    Update 2: Rebooting Premiere worked and both iPhones and updated iPad app asked for MAK and are now working.
     
  3. morac

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    The app works fine for my Premiere and S3 (limited support) on both my iPad and iPhone, but I had an issue where after using it briefly on my iPhone, my S3 disappeared from my network (wouldn't show up in the app or in the My Shows list on my Premiere). I had to reboot my S3 to get it back. My guess is that's a bug in the S3 code.

    While adding S3 support is nice, the support is so limited it's really not worth it. It basically adds remote control functionality (similar to what's available in the DVR Remote app) as well as built-in access to scheduling. The later isn't done directly on the S3 itself though, it goes through the same mechanism that scheduling on tivo.com goes through.

    So when they say "limited support on series 3", they mean it.

    For the Premiere, the app is really great. Adding the ability to start playing a program by tapping it on the iPad and now iPhone is great. If they could add streaming (which I doubt will ever happen), that app would be perfect.
     
  4. TiVo'Brien

    TiVo'Brien Multi-year Veteran

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    For our Series 3, that was my big disappointment in using it on my wife's iPad last night - you couldn't just tap on a program in the guide to change to that channel.

    It's still good for her, though. She's legally blind and can't read the guide from the couch. Now she can read it on her iPad and change the channel manually with the iPad or the remote. :up: Streaming would be awesome for her.
     
  5. ort

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    I understand that it can't do everything, but why can the 3rd party app "DVR Remote" show me what's in my Now Playing list and the official TiVo app cannot?

    I actually use it all the time to see what's on my TiVo downstairs. It's pretty handy in a pinch.
     
  6. morac

    morac Cat God

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    It's not that the TiVo app couldn't do that, my guess is that they didn't want to confuse users who would wonder why the option to watch or delete listed programs only works on the Premiere.

    Technically the Now Playing List and To Do list could be displayed in "away" mode, but that isn't done either.
     
  7. IDSmoker

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    TiVo made this design decision for the same reason they list the Series 1/2 on the app page, even though the app actually offers them the same non-support that someone who doesn't own a TiVo receives if they use the app. They want to encourage their current customers to upgrade to the Premiere... hence the handy button right under feature comparison chart.

    There is no technical reason why the app couldn't support every function of the web site.

    I'm unsurprised by this decision as it is in line with TiVo's past "customer disloyalty" based decisions. TiVo has been more focused on new customers than current customers for a very long time now.
     
  8. drewfidelic

    drewfidelic New Member

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    I can go on to tivo.com in iOS Safari and look at my Now PLaying lists and To-Do lists from anywhere I have internet access, but can't use TiVo's own app to do that? It's just aggravating. I can understand not deleting or managing recordings, but being able to see if something recorded or is scheduled to record remotely is the second of the two features that I want to use remotely.
     
  9. cwoody222

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    My thoughts exactly!
     
  10. morac

    morac Cat God

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    I agree this would be useful, though as you said you can still check this from the web site. Similar to Apple, TiVo seems to like consistency. While the web site does have your shows and scheduled recordings, it's not update in real time, so if it was implemented in the app the data might not be up to date. As opposed to using the app with the Premiere which gets that info directly from the Premiere itself.
     
  11. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    I finally had an oportunity to try the app on my daughters iTouch.

    I like it, they did a nice job configuring it for the smaller screen. Everything setup easily for my S3 and HD models - although it did require a reboot for all the boxes - not quite sure why that is.

    My daughter is pretty excited to have the app on her device - but I use the ipad mostly for the family room Premier.
     
  12. Fofer

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    This article (which admittedly, could be wrong or just worded poorly) says that RCN Somerville customers get mobile access to RCN's "on-demand content," as well as "personal picks on customers' 'now playing' list."

    If true, and it offers streaming, I'm wondering how they managed to (legally and technically) pull that off. I'm also wondering why we haven't heard more about it.

    If not, and it's just showing the guide, and the names of shows recorded, that's a horribly misleading article.
     
  13. morac

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    There's two possibilities here as to what the article is referring to:

    1. RCN VOD streams to the app. I don't think this is likely. It's not impossible since the Comcast Xfinity app streams Xfinity VOD and does DVR management, but I doubt the TiVo app has streaming playback capabilities.

    2. RCN VOD content can be searched for and playback initiated from the app. This is a lot more likely as it's not much different than what the app already does for Netflix, Blockbuster, Hulu Plus and Amazon content. You can "get" the content from those providers using the app, but it simply displays on the TiVo. It basically acts as a shortcut to Netflix, Amazon, etc program page. My guess is that RCN VOD will simply be added as another provider.
     
  14. Fofer

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    I agree with you. I just think the article reported it wrong and is written badly.
     
  15. javabird

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    The app seems fairly stable on my iPad but seems to crash a lot on my iPhone.
     
  16. IDSmoker

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    ARGH!!!

    The one thing that really interested me about this app was the inclusion of a keyboard function as part of the remote control screen.

    Finally! On those rare occasions when I have the need, I would be able to actually 'type' information into my Series 3 without having to cursor around an on-screen keyboard (and without having to buy the new TiVo remote with the slide-out keyboard).

    Well, today was the first time since getting the app that I had occasion to use this function, to enter my YouTube password yet again (and why my S3 can't save this password is a whole 'nother rant!), only to discover that the keyboard of the iPhone app can't actually enter information in place of the TiVo's on-screen keyboard?!?! All you can do is use the cursor controls within the iPhone app just like you would use your physical remote (only with the minor delay you get from the wifi connection).

    Is this a limitation of my Series 3 (perhaps it's another 'feature' of the Premiere software they refuse to release for the S3s?), perhaps it's a limitation of the iPhone app (how does the new slide-remote get around this, since it's supposed to be compatible with the S3?), or maybe it's just another user error (was there something else I was supposed to do to get this working?)?


    Has anyone ever managed to actually type something into a Series 3, using either the new app or remote?
     
  17. TiVoJerry

    TiVoJerry 00-16 TiVo Employee

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    The keyboard will work in the Search menu of the S3/S4 DVR but will not work in HME apps for either DVR at this time.
     
  18. Fofer

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    As far as I know, the Premiere has a different networking scheme in it's OS, each keyboard character has it's own assignment. It enable "direct keyboarding" over the network protocol.

    That said, if you want to type characters on an S3, I know of a few other options:

    The Bluetooth Slide remote works because it puts a Bluetooth dongle on the TiVo, which basically allows it to act like a keyboard. It's sending the keyboard characters over that (USB) mechanism and not the aforementioned networking code.

    The other option is to use the excellent DVR Remote app on your iPhone. This one does keyboarding but in a fairly clever way. You type your entry and the app takes care of the arrow moves and maneuvers to get your text entered on the S3. It's pretty sweet, actually. The only catch is you have to swipe to select the character layout you're looking at first. But it's pretty sweet to behold when you see it working. :D


    As far as the YouTube app goes, it seriously sucks. Mine does at least save the password, though. Not that it means much, because the YouTube app also isn't compatible with my YouTube Playlists or Favorites, so what's the point of logging in? :(


    Anyway, hope this helps.
     
  19. Fofer

    Fofer XenForo Rocks! TCF Club

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    That's interesting, I did not know that. Does the Bluetooth slide remote let you use the keyboard in HME apps?
     
  20. DeWitt

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    Nope. Same issue.
     

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