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Increase in copy protected content since TiVo Stream released

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by sd2528, Sep 17, 2012.

  1. sd2528

    sd2528 New Member

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    I'm a long time TiVo user who uses TiVo Desktop Plus to transfer movies/recordings to my iPhone. Over the last month I've noticed a drastic increase in the number of shows/movies I can't transfer using TiVo Desktop Plus. I've been on FiOS for 3 years now, I haven't upgraded any boxes or cable cards. In fact I can't point to anything at all that has changed other than TiVo releasing their new Stream device which forces you to buy new hardware.

    I don't want to be cynical but can anyone point to another reason why this happened? Is it happening for anyone else or just me?
     
  2. waynomo

    waynomo My One Time TCF Club

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  3. global_dev

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    on FIOS, at the end of July 2012, some premium channels (like HBO) copy protection changed from copy freely (transfering) to copy once (streaming).
     
  4. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Yes, Cinemax is protected too. I have Cinemax as part of my Ultimate HD bundle.
     
  5. sd2528

    sd2528 New Member

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    That's good. I've been pretty impressed with TiVo over the years and it would have surprised me if they did something just to promote their new product.

    I guess the question now is, do these copy protected shows work with Stream or are they blocked on that as well?
     
  6. DeWitt

    DeWitt New Member

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    You can stream the copy protected shows, but you can not download them for offline viewing.
     
  7. WhiskeyTango

    WhiskeyTango New Member

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    Tivo doesn't set the copy protection, they only enforce it.
     
  8. Nov 3, 2012 #9 of 16
    ALbino

    ALbino Lurker Series 2

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    I'm sure this has been beaten to death, and I hate bumping, but it didn't seem worth starting a new thread over.

    I just recently moved to an area with FiOS and got my TiVo XL4 specifically because I wanted to use TiVo desktop to watch HBO programs on my PC. Obviously, after reading a bunch of threads on this, that doesn't work anymore. I downloaded KMTTG, but it has the same "issue", if you want to call it that.

    Some people seem to indicate that if I had bought my XL4 from WeaKnees then it would have a "prom hack" which allows larger storage, and maybe transfer of "copy protected" content. Is this actually the case? If it is then I can return my new XL4 and get one from them.

    Alternatively, is there a method to login in to my TiVo box and just transfer the files by hand, and then decode them on my PC?

    Any information would be helpful. Thank!
     
  9. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Premiere units can't be hacked to disable the copy protection, at least not without hardware modification. Older S3/HD units could be hacked via the prom to allow access after which you could disable the copy protection and make it so anything recorded after the hack was set to copy freely. However S3/HD units don't work with the Stream, so even if you picked one up just for HBO you'd need to transfer the recordings to a Premiere first and then use the Stream to copy from the Premiere. Also I never done it, but it's my understanding that doing the prom hack and disabling copy protection isn't easy. So unless you're very technical it may not even be something you're capable of doing.

    As for alternatives... There are none. Once the show is encrypted there is no way to get it to transfer.

    Dan
     
  10. ALbino

    ALbino Lurker Series 2

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    Thank you, Dan. Appreciate the direct answer.
     
  11. lrhorer

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    Not even then. They are locked down very tight.

    Well, yes, although there is also a method by which content recorded prior to the hack can have its status changed, and also ways to transfer content that is marked as copy protected. 'Several ways to skin the cat once the TiVo is modified, actually.

    Or just copy to an external PC and transfer from there. 'Lot of advantages to that, including removing commercials.

    Not really. The PROM is an SMD, but not one of those ungodly high pitch, high pin count monsters. It's only a 32 pin chip. ChipQuik can be used to remove it, and soldering requires some practice, but it is not that painful. There are people around who will do it for you, for a modest fee. Modifying the software is not very difficult, either. I wrote a couple of simple scripts that can handle all of the more common hacks in just a few seconds once one attaches the hard drive to a PC and boots into Linux. Details are on the "other" TiVo hobbyist forum.

    It's not the encryption, it is the value of the CCI byte. On a Premiere, however, neither one can be circumvented.
     
  12. lrhorer

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    No. S3 and S4 TiVos purchased from Weaknees are not modified in any way other than having a larger hard drive. This does not require hacking.
     
  13. esilbe1

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    I just noticed today that AMC and Spike TV are copyright protected too. It's really unfortunate for TiVo this is occurring because it reflects poorly on them. I can't imagine how TiVo couldn't workout an arrangement w/ these companies for certain use case scenarios. I use Stream to download shows for my daily commute and now those shows are locked to my box, which defeats Stream for me. Thus, TiVo is kind of useless. I regret the purchase now.
     
  14. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    It's your cable company that is implementing the restrictions.
     
  15. jrtroo

    jrtroo User

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    I cannot imagine that your cable company would want to agree to work out an arrangement. They feel it would diminish revenues, and they have no legal requirements to make a deal, why would they want to help Tivo?
     

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