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I wonder what TiVo's got cooking for CES

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by bbrown9, Dec 20, 2013.

  1. Jan 3, 2014 #41 of 124
    Dan203

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    That's more a legal issue. I'm sure they'd add that if they could. Maybe they're just taking a cautious approach and seeing how the cable companies react, or maybe they already asked Cable Labs and this is what they have to do. We don't really know at this point and there is really no precedent. The only other devices that do out of home streaming exploit the analog hole and aren't subject to the CCI byte at all. (DirecTV also does direct streaming, but they are their own provider so they can do pretty much whatever they want)
     
  2. Jan 6, 2014 #42 of 124
    davezatz

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    I believe TiVo will have a presence as tonight's Pepcom Digital Experience event, so some news to go along with it isn't out of the question. The main convention center floor opens Thursday, but here's what TiVo's under construction booth looked like on Saturday:

    https://twitter.com/davezatz/status/419571805171367936/photo/1
     
  3. Jan 6, 2014 #43 of 124
    Sixto

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    Looks nice so far. You meant Tuesday?
     
  4. Jan 6, 2014 #44 of 124
    mrizzo80

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    Hope they used the $1.00 off coupon from TiVo Central for those paper towels.
     
  5. Jan 6, 2014 #45 of 124
    Dan203

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    Those do not appear to be Bounty! :eek:
     
  6. Jan 6, 2014 #46 of 124
    AdamNJ

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    This video link is to "watch people watch tv" and try to break the record. https://www.dropcam.com/p/YsCvYJ

    But for now, you can watch (and hear) people assemble the booth. The fact that the sound is on, seems funny to me.
     
  7. Jan 7, 2014 #47 of 124
    CoxInPHX

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    Grab a screen shot if anyone eats a booger...;)
     
  8. Jan 7, 2014 #48 of 124
    caughey

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    Coincidentally, @TiVo tweets

    Is TV watching the "exciting project" TiVo was recruiting volunteers for?
     
  9. Jan 7, 2014 #49 of 124
    drebbe

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    TiVo Inc., a global leader in the advanced television entertainment market, demonstrated a Network DVR (NDVR) next generation cloud television prototype today at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas.

    "It may surprise people to learn just how many of TiVo's features are already delivered from the cloud but storage in the cloud is the easy part. TiVo is making it easy both for the consumer and the operator to navigate within a cloud environment to facilitate a TV experience that is much more personal and we are once again leading the way in developing the best in class consumer features to enable the consumer to access all the content they want, whenever and wherever they want it -- even as those sources and devices continue to evolve," said TiVo's Vice President of Innovation, Joshua Danovitz. "With an increasingly complicated entertainment landscape that includes a multitude of content choices, sources and devices, both consumers and operators are challenged to find the appropriate means to navigate the burgeoning content. TiVo is once again defining the landscape of how viewers will consume entertainment, and how pay TV operators provide the best in class user experience."

    The TiVo NDVR is a natural extension of the TiVo solution and will use TiVo's Emmy Award winning cloud service. TiVo's NDVR will extend the TiVo Service and consistent user experience on every device, while enabling consumers to easily find, consume and socially share cloud delivered content through the TiVo user interface. This is an important next step for operators as they consider a transition to IP delivered content and utilization of low-cost IP clients and consumer provided devices (tablets, smartphones, etc.) while enhancing the user experience anywhere they may be.

    TiVo will extend current features and functionality and plans to enable new consumer features that enable co-viewing experiences through social networks and recommendations across disparate libraries of content.

    "The natural evolution of the TiVo Service to address network storage is one of the cornerstones of TiVo's overall strategy to deliver an experience that delights the consumer on every screen while driving down pay TV operator costs at the same time as increasing monetization opportunities," continued Danovitz.

    In addition to moving the Roamio experience to the cloud, TiVo would be enabling operators and programmers to manage complex content rights, create multiple tiers of network PVR features, and enable multiscreen policies that accelerate the critical transition to an all IP video world. For instance, operators deploying TiVo's NDVR could offer a premium service with expanded catch-up and save options. The service could also empower programmers to more intelligently target advertising in cloud hosted time-shifted content.

    CES 2014 runs from January 7 - 10 in Las Vegas. TiVo's booth is located at LVCC, Central Hall - 7920.

    Joshua Danovitz will be keynoting at "Connecting to the Cloud @ CES" where he'll explain the competitive edge of cloud-based solutions compared to older, more localized methods of online content distribution (and moreover, how social networking influences how, when and what we stream) on Wednesday, January 8, 5:00 p.m. in the Las Vegas Convention Center North Hall, N262.
     
  10. Jan 7, 2014 #50 of 124
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    aaronwt

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    atmuscarella

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    First as I said in my last post I don't think this will be direct to consumer offering and even if it is, given I can not even stream SD stuff many nights without lots of buffering and that my upload speed is less than 0.5/Mb/s I don't personally don't see how I could use the service any time soon.
     
  14. Jan 7, 2014 #54 of 124
    bayern_fan

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    Cloud storage of a local recording could provide some hope that we will someday be able to access our Tivo recordings from a web browser.
     
  15. Jan 7, 2014 #55 of 124
    moyekj

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    Consumer Roamios (and series 4 units) are already too cloud dependent IMO given the "c133" errors we were all getting fairly recently and the associated loss of functionality. I don't see increasing cloud dependency as a good thing at all...
     
  16. Jan 7, 2014 #56 of 124
    lessd

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    FOX and ABC OD is somewhat like a cloud service, and you are forced to watch ads and can't fast forward, not what I want from my DRV experience. Even Netflix is a pain to go back in a program, not like using a recorded program on todays TiVo. If my cable/internet goes down in a storm I still have any recorded programs on my TiVo I can watch. Non recordable IPTV with ads is of no value to me, and I think many others.
     
  17. Jan 7, 2014 #57 of 124
    bradleys

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    I would be interested in having some cloud space as a component of the solution. One reason Netflix and other streaming services work so well, is that they have the infrastructure to drive the services. You expose the weak link in OOH streaming, you need to (in real time) convert the stream, upload the stream through your network to the internet and then download the stream to your device... Any bottleneck along that path will cause a stutter, stammer or just plain failure.

    And even the process of offloading content to your device is a pain, because at least with IOS, it cannot be done in the background.

    If you had cloud space you could choose to move a recording (or record to...) that cloud storage. It would then be available to you remotely - with the stability and hardware support to make OOH streaming as reliable as Netflix.

    Nobody wants to give up their local storage for cloud storage, but cloud storage as an additonal service would be a very welcome addition in my mind.


    Another Thought:

    What if - both of us as TiVo owers - I could share my cloud content with you? A process as simple as changing the owner ID and it moves from me to you should make the solution legal... You could then view it from your TiVo or TiVo portal device. When you are done with it, transfer it back to me or the next guy...

    I have an open mind on the oportunties of this solution, as long as the industry / TiVo doesn't try to take my local storage away.
     
  18. Jan 7, 2014 #58 of 124
    Philmatic

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    In this scenario, "cloud" means outside your home's network and on your Cable Provider network. Not public internet cloud like Netflix and Hulu. Bandwidth shouldn't be as big an issue as one would assume.
     
  19. Jan 7, 2014 #59 of 124
    bradleys

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    First off, we do not know what the full intent of this service is.

    It might be as simple as allowing small cable companies to offer a cheap (think TiVo Mini*) solution to customers paired with cloud storage.

    It might also be offered as a service to retail consumers for more robust functionality as I outlined above. As a service, the difference between private cloud and semipublic cloud (my content sharing scenario) is a small leap. I never suggested that TiVo would become a Netflix type provider of content or serve single copies of content across consumers. I only suggest that a robust cloud infrastructure would serve content remotely with more stability then the solution in place today.

    Both solutions are resonable and bring consumer value.


    *note: I realize a new box would need to be designed with tuners, etc.. and the TiVo Mini couldn't be leveraged directly.
     
  20. Jan 7, 2014 #60 of 124
    JosephB

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    I highly, highly doubt that this would be something offered to retail customers, nor would it be something that you record locally but then push the content back up to the cloud service. How inefficient is that? Send the video down in a 5-10mbps QAM, only to immediately push it right back up through the public internet at the same exact bitrate, when most people don't have that high of an upstream bandwidth?

    This is entirely to compete with the likes of ActiveVideo. The tuners will be at the cable company, they'll just record it directly at the datacenter, and then the video will be streamed to you either via IP or via a VOD type system. To think otherwise is foolish wishful thinking.
     

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