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I will be leaving tivo soon

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by tootal2, Jul 19, 2012.

  1. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    The SD menus are very responsive, so that's not a real reason to leave. I agree that Tivo either blew it with Flash or don't have good enough programmers for it on the HD side.
     
  2. ggieseke

    ggieseke Active Member

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    Maybe I'm just lucky, but in 8 months WMC has never recorded a repeat or crashed. It also seems to do a better job on first-run SPs when an episode gets cancelled at the last minute and rescheduled for a later airing.
     
  3. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    WMC only records what you tell it to, just like Tivo does. Don't blame WMC because the guide data doesn't flag a show as a repeat. WMC records what it believes to be a new airing of a show based on what it's being told. If it's a flaw then Tivo suffers from the exact same problem. Tivo will record any show that's not flagged as a repeat unless it aired within the past 28 days. I just love how people blame WMC for the exact same issues that a Tivo has, yet they seem to think that Tivo's s**t doesn't stink.:rolleyes:

    FWIW, I routinely look at my list of upcoming recordings and weed out anything that I know is a repeat (like the weekly Deadliest Catch marathons), even if the guide data doesn't flag it. It only takes a minute or two to go through the list, especially if I do it as part of a daily routine. It's easier than having to delete shows after they've already been recorded. I tend to overlook issues like this because it's only a minor annoyance. The fact that I'm only paying for cablecard rental and not the Tivo service makes it so much easier to deal with.
     
  4. macjeepster

    macjeepster New Member

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    Where does a PC get the guide data? Is it free?
    How does it compare to the TiVo data (which used to and may still come from Tribune)?
    -mj
     
  5. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    The 28 day rule makes it an entirely different issue on WMC, and is one reason why it may not be as accurate for repeats as Tivo.

    The point remains that WMC guide updates are often not as timely as Tivo's which contributes to the problem - e.g. generic Discovery eps don't get correct guide data so they get recorded in WMC, but they almost always get the correct data on Tivo before it actually records. Or the wrong show is in the slot and never gets updated.

    I'm not the only one who has noticed this, btw, so it has nothing to do with sanctifying Tivo.

    These guys see it too.

    And so do these.

    The big advantage for WMC is that the guide data costs nothing vs. paying for it on Tivo, but you get what you pay for more times than not on Tivo.
     
  6. tootal2

    tootal2 New Member

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    It looks the same to me. but a few times i had only 3 days of guied data left on wmc before the guide info got updated. but that problem seems to be fixed. Tivo tells me i have o days of guide info left but has 2 weeks of info.

    also wishlist are a lot better on tivo


     
  7. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    The main reason I see why WMC records repeats is that the guide data sometimes contains a generic description rather than specific metadata about the episode that's being aired. If there's no repeat flag in the data, WMC sees it as a new episode and records it. The thing is, if a Tivo sees this very same data you should get the same result. There's got to be something else the Tivo is flagging in order to make the 28-day rule work.

    From the Zap2it website:

    Both your Tivo and WMC connect on a daily basis to update guide data so I don't see how either one could be more timely than the other. With WMC I can download guide data updates on demand. With a Tivo I can connect and maybe get a guide data update if I'm lucky, but there's no guarantee it will happen if I connect before the appointed time. There is obviously something going on with the consistency between sources. I can only assume that WMC and Tivo connect to different web interfaces with Zap2it/Tribune Media to get the guide data, with one being more current than the other.

    That was an issue with Zap2it that was resolved before anyone ran out of guide data.

    This has already been established.
     
  8. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    It has nothing to do with how often Tivo and WMC connect to the mothership to get the data, and everything to do with the quality of it. And, the WMC running out of guide data problem has been a recurring issue off and on for months now.

    Bottom line is that Tivo is better here whether you choose to accept it or not, but WMC data is free.
     
  9. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    I'm not sure where you're getting that it's been a recurring issue because I've never run out of guide data with WMC. There was an issue about six months ago where some people had either run out or were about to run out of data. It turned out to be a problem with Zap2it that was resolved within a few days after being reported. I've since seen a few instances where I may have only had 7-10 days worth of guide data, but it never fell below that. I've had the same issues with Tivo's guide data from time to time, which would make sense since both DVRs get their data from the same source.

    The question remains, if both DVRs get guide data from Tribune Media/Zap2it, why would one be better than the other? Someone please explain this to me because I'm stumped.:confused:
     
  10. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    I don't know about missed recordings. Even back in 2001 when I first setup a couple of HTPCs for my HD recordings, I didn't miss them as long as the program still came on at the time I set. I would think now, as long as the guide data is right, missed recordings would be rare. The last time I used HTPCs for HD recordings was 2006 when I had several ATSC USB tuners to just mess around with and it recorded everything just fine. But the entire reason I drifted away from HTPCs for HD recording was when the HDTiVo came out in 2004 for DirecTV so I shifted most of my HD recording to the TiVo. And in 2006 when I got my S3 boxes, it killed my use of the HTPCs. Especially since I had already stopped watching DVDs in 2005 there was no use for my HTPCs anymore since I used stand alone players for my BD and HD DVD watching so I didn't need my HTPCs for watching from my SDI DVD players.
    I prefer to use the TiVo over HTPCs But the HTPC should be very reliable too
     
  11. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    I'm too lazy to go look up all the threads at thegreenbutton.tv for you again, but it's been an ongoing issue for a while now. Ceton has gotten involved with MS on multiple occasions to get the problem resolved, and in some cases it's come with folks only having 2-3 days of guide data left. You can thank the folks there and Ceton's excellent reps for making sure that we never ran out of data.
     
  12. stcaudle12

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    Good luck! I like the fact that Tivo is sending updates constantly and it works like it's supposed to. PC's are a pain.
     
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  14. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    I'm set in my ways now and have no desire to learn a different system. The Tivo *just works*.
     
  15. lillevig

    lillevig Hot in West Texas

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    I tried a PC tuner and WMC but ran into several issues just with the cable connection. Pixelation was a constant issue (maybe it's the tuner's fault) but I also have to manually input the channel lineup and have no guide data for them. Don't really have an option for OTA where I'm at.
     
  16. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    So exactly how much guide data do you need? While it's nice to be able to set up recordings days or even weeks in advance, as long as the guide data is present on the day a program airs, season passes will pick them up and record them automatically. My point was that I never missed a recording due to lack of guide data. I only record single shows on an occasional basis and have season passes set up for 99% of my recordings.

    FWIW, I didn't make the transition from Tivo to HTPC overnight. I started off using my HTPC with OTA tuners to record locals because DirecTV didn't carry all of them. I watch a lot of network TV and I found myself using the HTPC for recording as much as my Tivos. I eventually switched to FIOS when it became available and bought a couple of S3 Tivos at $600 a pop. My recording chores were pretty much evenly split between cable and OTA at this point.

    When the Ceton tuner became available I upgraded my HTPC to Windows 7 Media Center. I used both the Tivos and the WMC PC for recording cable programs for several months, mainly as a backup in case the HTPC didn't work the way I wanted. WMC turned out to be extremely reliable and I eventually stopped using the Tivos altogether.

    The total transition from Tivo to HTPC spanned over several years so it's not something I just jumped into lightly. I had growing pains with the HTPC, but the vast majority of problems I experienced were hardware related. The current hardware and drivers are extremely stable to the point where just about anyone can put together a stable HTPC without a lot of effort. That's not to say you still won't have issues, but chances are they'll be fewer and farther between than using systems from several years ago.

    HTPCs are a hobby, not an appliance. If you want a security blanket, get a Tivo. If you like to tinker and enjoy the satisfaction of building something yourself that works amazingly well, consider an HTPC. It's up to the individual to decide what's important to them.
     
  17. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    Jeez Louise, why does every post of yours turn into a tout about how great HTPCs are, no matter what else anyone says about possible issues with WMC?

    We get it.
     
  18. innocentfreak

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    I just put him on ignore. He doesn't have a TiVo and just trolls here.
     
  19. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    Actually, I've got quite a few Tivos. I just don't use them anymore.

    FYI, if you don't like my posts I don't see anyone forcing you to read them.;)

    What's funny is that these forums are full of people complaining about problems with Tivos. You guys are raving about how great Tivos are and ignoring the issues you have with your own hardware and software. When an alternative solution is mentioned all the Tivo fanboys jump on the bandwagon and trash it. In case you hadn't noticed, this thread is about the OP ditching Tivo in favor of an HTPC. My posts have been in keeping with the original topic.

    The point is that anything electronic has issues from time to time. Some people have Tivos that work, others don't. Same goes for HTPCs. You use whatever suits your fancy.
     
  20. nrc

    nrc Cracker Soul

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    At least he admits that HTPCs are really just for tinkerers. If he'd put that disclaimer on every post we'd have fewer issues.

    Then again, anyone foolish enough to want another Windows PC in their life deserves to have another Windows PC in their life so at least he's helping to meet out just punishment for fools.
     

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