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I paid $693 out the door for a Tivo XL4 and lifetime service, what Roamio...

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by riz, Aug 21, 2013.

  1. riz

    riz New Member

    Dec 30, 2000
    In May I paid $693 out the door for a Tivo XL4 and lifetime service, what Roamio features are really worth all the extra cash (and it seems like it's a pretty big diff in price)

    I don't really see that many software differences, are there? Speed is not a big deal to me, sure my Tivo isn't a blazer but it doesn't bother me and I don't need tivo2go...

    and lastly, any chance we can expect to see the interface update on Premiere series?

  2. DaveDFW

    DaveDFW Member

    Jan 25, 2005
    Richardson, TX
    I don't think we'll know what the Roamios can do until a few people actually receive their units and run through the feature sets. We also won't know what will filter down to the Premiere unless Tivo actually makes it so, because they have a history of promising features that are never delivered.

    I'm also tempted by the Roamio platform's increase in speed, but I also know from experience that every Tivo released has some major bug in its features. The Premiere's shortcomings are well-known at this point. What is broken in the Roamio that we just don't know about yet?
  3. NoVa

    NoVa Member

    Feb 26, 2006
    I would wait before jumping to the Roamio.
    No doubt the specs on paper are a big step up.

    But like you & previous posters have pointed out: Speed is not a big deal to some & early adoption is a sickness full of bugs & early costs.

    Similar to you I spent some around $550 for a P4 with Lifetime. The speed is a non-issue for me since it's been like this also with DVD's & BD's standard operating practices for year.

    Otherwise, MOCA is built-in so I have the Mini.
    The menus are no big deal killer.
    The 4 tuners are enough for now.
    Dynamic tuner allocation isn't a big hurdle yet for me.
    Wifi = what for?
    & some of the new Roamio software features may even get passed on to the Premiere 4/4XL too if we are to believe the press reports.

    So, I'll let the early adopters enjoy the moment of glory...& associated frustration.
    Heck people already sound exasperated BEFORE even the first models have shipped!

    I'll stick to my m.o. of not buying any new technology or car in its first year.
  4. riz

    riz New Member

    Dec 30, 2000
    I don't see any big software improvements per se. Is that true? and why wouldn't we expect a software update to the new UI on Premiere units?
  5. jessehere

    jessehere New Member

    Apr 14, 2010
    aren't the premieres due for a software update this fall?
  6. Philmatic

    Philmatic Member

    Sep 17, 2003
    Extra tuners (Either 4 on the base model and 6 Cable on the Plus/Pro)
    Massively improved UI response
    Minor changes throughout the UI
    Dynamic Tuner Allocation for the TiVo Mini (This will trickle down to the Premiere eventually)
    RF Remote
    Integrated TiVo Stream
    New HTML 5 Application platform for apps (which means we now have the latest and greatest Netflix and YouTube apps)
  7. NoVa

    NoVa Member

    Feb 26, 2006
    Hearsay but no confirm ever on anything from TiVo.
  8. CrispyCritter

    CrispyCritter Purple Ribbon Wearer

    Feb 28, 2001
    I view the change to html5 (instead of flash) as a basis for apps to be a major software improvement. It should mean a large speed improvement for apps, and more importantly means the Roamios will get the latest apps from content sources much quicker. At this point, I doubt either Netflix or Amazon will be interested in updating their flash apps on the Premieres. Since apps have to be written by the content sources, I think the Premieres will be stuck with what they have now - it seems unlikely that the Premieres has the horsepower to run html5 in addition to what it is running now.
  9. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

    Oct 31, 2007
    One of the big changes in the Roamio line is the move from Adobe Air to HTML5 for OTA apps like Netflix and Youtube.

    Both of these services have already been updated and all reports are they are significantly better - with DIAL support as an added bonus.

    Future plans are additional OTA apps and eventually an App Store - none of this will be included in the Premier line of TiVo's
  10. riz

    riz New Member

    Dec 30, 2000
    Ya, that is some interesting stuff and has me intrigued but at this point, I think we are aways away from those features being a big and dramatic leaps over my XL4. Next year tho, when prices come down and Tivo will play long time customer ball with us, it would be a worthy switch it appears...
  11. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

    Jun 12, 2004
    Quad Sillies
    Define "massively".....:rolleyes:
  12. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

    Apr 17, 2000
    Have you ever used a Mini? Basically it responds to every button press immediately like you'd expect.
  13. stujac

    stujac Member

    Jan 26, 2002
    If you want to use the antenna you need the cheapest one they offer. Just add a hard drive when weeknees makes it available (or DVR Dude).
  14. mattack

    mattack Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    Much faster + more tuners + built in Tivo Stream capability.

    I'm NOT one to be an early adopter, in fact I'm usually exactly the opposite.. but if I knew for sure I could trade my lifetime TivoHD + tivo stream + lifetime P4 for a 6 tuner roamio, I would.. and it seems like that's probably a reasonably close comparison..
  15. buscuitboy

    buscuitboy Member

    Aug 8, 2005
    Atlanta area
    Yea, I was tempted to try one of these Roamios (base model or the plus), but I wound up just pulling the trigger and getting a 4-tuner Premiere for much less. Personally, it should fit my needs for now.

    While I personally don't have any need for a mini right now, I might in the future and these older 4-tuner models will work with them. Also, its suppose to get an update this fall to allow the mini for dynamic tuner allocation (instead of the current dedicated) so that could be something I could take advantage of as well. This is actually the ONLY reason I would possibly get a mini anyway as it would be used in a room that isn't used frequently and I don't want it to "lock" down a tuner all the time. Will see.
  16. mattack

    mattack Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    Do you want to pay $693 for my Premiere 4 with lifetime, and I'll even throw in a Tivo Stream and free shipping?
  17. trade

    trade Tivo Addict

    Sep 1, 2005
    Fullerton, CA
  18. holycrap

    holycrap New Member

    Jan 1, 2009
    I get the boxes getting faster and have always accepted that as I've moved up the line, but I'm annoyed that I've got two Streams (one in each home) I purchased early on at full price which now have very little resale value give (i) the recent sale and glitch with the Grouper code and (ii) new boxes don't need the Stream.
  19. waterchange

    waterchange Member

    Jun 29, 2010
    My general rule is that resale value of any used electronics equipment is 50% at best. You can probably still sell your used Streams for $60 to $70 which I think is pretty good/fair. So I myself wouldn't consider that little resale value.

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