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I hate, hate, HATE the updated Netflix app!!!

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by escrge, Aug 22, 2012.

  1. PlanoEvo

    PlanoEvo New Member

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    Okay it works better now it still has the ramping up issue and if you try to advance or rewind it goes back to 1080i but at least once it gets to 1080p it stays there. TiVo box is picky for sure...
     
  2. Robert2413

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    By locally increasing contrast only in appropriate areas of the picture, it increases perceived detail without adding ringing on edges. It helps softer-looking HD quite a bit, but it's not appropriate for all program material. For example, I find HBO shows like True Blood looked better with the Darblet defeated because that show was already marginally over-enhanced during the production process.

    My display is a Pioneer Kuro 141FD. which is already sharp in dot-by-dot mode. Reading online reviews suggests that the Darblet is most useful with LCOS projectors like the JVCs, which can be a bit soft-looking to begin with.
     
  3. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Maybe it's an issue for the location it's streaming from. Mine goes to 1080P24 and stays there. And for the past week or so, half the time it's been starting at 1080P24 for some reason. But still staying there. It will stay at 1080P24 for the entire 42 minute episode. Although I haven't watched any movies on there lately.
     
  4. mikeyts

    mikeyts Stream Warrior

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    Whether it has to step down from the 1080p24 encode or not completely depends on what conditions are locally when you're playing it. If there's not sufficient bandwidth on your path to their servers (distinct from the rated speed of your network service) or if for some reason those servers are bogged down and can't shovel you packets of content fast enough to keep up (shouldn't happen with good load balancing but nothing's perfect) then the player will switch to a lower bit rate video encode before its buffer is empty. If you always get a connection with the servers which is rock solid you'll always stay at 1080p after it gets there.
     
  5. morac

    morac Cat God

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    I tried to watch a program on Netflix from the search screen and after a long time,I got a message saying Netflix couldn't load. At that point my Premiere stopped responding to remote presses and rebooted about 30 seconds later.
     
  6. mikeyts

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    Is it repeatable? I tried it and it works fine for me, both pressing SEL on the title and choosing "Play" from the menu and by pressing PLAY on the title without drilling down into its menu.
     
  7. morac

    morac Cat God

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    Not repeatable. After my Première rebooted, Netflix loaded up correctly, though not immediately. I had to wait a few minutes as I was getting V301 errors. That didn't make it any less annoying though. Fortunately nothing was recording.
     
  8. HockeyFan

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    I find it hilarious that this thread is still around 5 months later :)
    Besides initial buffering and few seconds with pause I don't see any issues.
    I understand some cable companies have declared war on Netflix users but I chose not to do business with them:)
     
  9. mikeyts

    mikeyts Stream Warrior

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    The thread's not so much about problems with the new Netflix player as it is about the fact that some people hate the new interface's design and want a player with a UI which echoes the look-and-feel of the main TiVo UI. This is a space where they can vent :).
     
  10. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    I like the new interface. If I could change one thing though, it would allow the info button to bring up info about the show you are watching. That is the one feature I miss from the old application.
     
  11. compnurd

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    If that is the idea then they need to vent on a Netflix forum
     
  12. mikeyts

    mikeyts Stream Warrior

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    It's missing some features which all four of the other devices that I own with this UI have (3 BD players and a PS3): forward/back by 3 thumbs in the browser by pressing FF/REW, people search and now the Netflix "Post Play Experience" which has recently been added to all of the others (though sort of impressive, I don't really want my player to start playing the next episode of a series that I'm watching after a countdown). In other words, it could be a superior version of what it is.

    It also has a bad tendency to sometimes begin playback with the lowest bit rate, unwatchably poor PQ video encode (so bad it looks like an impressionist rendering of the scene in oils). I've never seen any of the other players use that encode.

    The only Netflix player UIs that I know which let you get title information without stopping playback are the Roku's, which will pop up a little overlay with title, episode number and episode title (if a series), release year, duration and rating when you press DOWN and the Xbox's unique UI, which starts playback as soon as you select the title and let's you do all manner of things in overlays while it continues to play.

    The implementation of this UI on TiVo isn't perfect, but it generally works as designed and is perfectly usable, though you might not love it. Of course, there are those who've posted that they hate it so much that they refuse to use it. Whatever :rolleyes:.
     
  13. mikeyts

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    Possibly, but no one is forced to listen to them vent on any forum. I think that the title of this thread makes it perfectly clear what you can expect to find if you choose to enter it :). Also I'm sure that it's more satisfying for them to vent where TiVo is likely to read it, since they mainly hold TiVo responsible and want them to spend a lot of money developing and maintaining their own Netflix interface.
     
  14. compnurd

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    Tivo very rarely monitors this forum. And you are assuming that Tivo would be allowed to spend money to develop there own interface. I think it is pretty clear netflix has standardized there interface
     
  15. mikeyts

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    One of my closest friends is an engineer at TiVo who tells me that they're encouraged to read these forums, though forbidden to participate unless asked to prepare a response by their management (which no doubt would be edited and posted by marketing).
    I'm not assuming that, the complainers are. Neither the Roku or the Xbox use the interface on the Premiere, though everything else I have which plays Netflix streams does, other than this PC and my tablet. Personally I think it's probable that companies are free to create their own Netflix UIs (with Netflix holding some veto power over what they create, inasmuch as it represents them to their customers). I could be wrong and Netflix is imposing this UI on all of their OEM partners. In any case, the part provided by Netflix would be quite expensive for TiVo to develop and maintain their own version of, so it's just smart business for them to use it.

    Use of common UI designs has become the norm these days. I have several devices with VUDU and Hulu Plus players and the UI for those players on every one of them is identical to the others (except for the Xbox 360, which has Metro-look-and-feel players controllable with voice and gestures via Kinect). The only common service which differs is Amazon, whose players are different on every device, causing me to think that they don't offer a UI design for embedded systems.
     
  16. rainwater

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    The old player followed the TiVo UI and provided no way to discover content. You can still play content from TiVo search so no one forces you to use the new Netflix UI but I don't want to go back to the terrible app that use to be on the TiVo. Personally, I think they need to fix the button mapping and resolution switching issue (along with response times). The UI works fine for me.
     
  17. Arcady

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    I don't care about the old UI vs. the new UI. I just want my Elite to stop crashing/rebooting when I try to use Netflix.
     
  18. weymo

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    My Premiere does this exact thing as well. It doesn't seem to be shifting resolutions for the stream it appears that the video processor just resets...and it takes a moment or two before sync can catch up with the television (HDMI here.) PS3 on same network...never has this problem.
    In our old Series 2 / Series 2 DT days when TiVo desktop was transferring and the TiVo was recording, our CPU would seize up and the box would reboot, resulting in some loss of recording time.
    The Premiere XL behaves the same way. If all 4 tuners are recording and the blue transfer light is lit...watch out...it just can't seem to handle it.
    Why the NIC isn't on it's own little processor, I can't imagine.
    Worse still, the Netflix app audio/video will come out of sync as the box struggles.
    We always come back to the SD interface for speed.
    No matter what the programming challenges are at TiVo, perception is everything. With something as utilitarian as television, they should keep it simple and keep it fast...and then let us turn ON features if we really want them, like the troubled HD menus, PiP, web content...
     
  19. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Netflix has been working great on both my Elites and my two tuner Premiere.
     
  20. HockeyFan

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    That's disappointing. With all the complaints
    here I assumed TiVo sent me a specially designed exclusive TiVo premiere to work without flaws.
    I don't feel so special now.
    I guess I'll go back to enjoying my TiVo and try to deal with it.
     

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