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how to transfer copyrighted video to computer

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by slyone, Jun 20, 2012.

  1. slyone

    slyone New Member

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    I haven't used this in a while but I transfer stuff to laptop then over to Ipod. I looked today and everything is copyrighted so it won't transfer(using I-Tunes). what up brother....:confused:
     
  2. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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  3. ajwees41

    ajwees41 Active Member

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    I don't think you can.
     
  4. slyone

    slyone New Member

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    man that sucks! I'm on Time Warner upstate NY.
     
  5. mikeyts

    mikeyts Stream Warrior

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    There's a TiVo support page on the issue. TiVo is just following the rules set forth in the DFAST and CableCARD licensing agreements which they had to sign in order to manufacture products with CableCARD interfaces.
     
  6. jcthorne

    jcthorne Active Member

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    There are two ways around the problem and one permanent solution.

    The Tivo HD is hackable to get around it. Not for discussion here but it exists.

    2nd method involves an HD tuner card with analog component video inputs, essentially recording the tivo output, in real time.

    The permanent solution is to tell Time Warner what you think of thier heavy hand in copy protection of media you paid for use of and leave. Cut the cord. I did, and if many more do, they will change thier ways or die.
     
  7. Chris Gerhard

    Chris Gerhard Well-Known Member

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    How is this the fault of TW? If Fox (or any other rights owner) requires copy protection, should TW just thumb their nose at them and allow free copying? It seems to me anybody owning rights to programming should have the right to use whatever legal security measures they deem fit and as consumers we have the right to not purchase the programming. Technology exists and laws permit its use and I sure don't see how using it will cause TW to die, more likely not using it will. I am OTA and streaming only but I sure have no complaints with TiVo or any cable company for using or honoring copy protection when it is appropriate and legal and required by the rights owner.

    The best business decision may be to just allow free copying and transfer among various devices but it isn't my decision to make, it is the company owning the rights to the property that should get to make those decisions.
     
  8. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    Only problem with that, TW liberally applies the copy protection even if the content owner doesn't request it.
    I'd bet 80% of the channels don't request that their programming be copy protected.
     
  9. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    First, it isn't just TWC doing this although they are the worst.

    More important, this is no solution at all. TiVo digital cable subscribers are less than 1% of their digital customers and realistically you're never going to get most of them to cut the cord, i.e., there is no leverage.

    There is a major thread buried on this forum somewhere that involved a letter-writing (actually email writing) campaign on this. All it netted was legalese from TWC saying in essence: it's legal for us to do this -- we're doing it -- and we're not telling you whether it's because our programmers require it. <insert cartoon>beating a dead horse</insert cartoon>. ;)
     
  10. en sabur nur

    en sabur nur Member

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    Use the second method suggested:

    2nd method involves an HD tuner card with analog component video inputs, essentially recording the tivo output, in real time.

    The only way to LEGALLY achieve the result you want. No letter-writing needed.
     
  11. mikeyts

    mikeyts Stream Warrior

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    By CableCARD licensing TiVo is required to apply analog copy control signals to analog video output; the DMCA requires recording equipment to recognize and obey those signals.
     
  12. JoeTaxpayer

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    Most cable channels don't request protection. In fact, I have Comcast an nothing is protected. Friends who have HBO, or other pay channels say those channels are protected.

    Fox is not the OP's issue, TW is.
     
  13. mikeyts

    mikeyts Stream Warrior

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    When people complained to Comcast about wanton channel protection early in the post digital-cable-agreement era, Comcast enacted a corporate-wide policy of only applying copy-one-gen protection to channels whose providers explicitly required it. Of course, HBO is one such channel.

    If you ask me, the FCC should require a filed request for copy protection from the programming provider prior to the cable companies being allowed to apply the codes.
     
  14. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    I thought this only worked with the original TiVo Series 3 (model TCD648250), not the TiVo HD.
     
  15. aadam101

    aadam101 Tell me a joke

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    Do any content owners request copy protection? Verizon FIOS doesn't protect anything. Are they just ignoring the content owners? Somehow I think they are not and the content owners simply aren't requesting copy protection. Given the fact that some cable companies copy protect nearly every channel, I am doubtful of your claims.
     
  16. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    AMEN! Preach on, brotha! :D
     
  17. mikeyts

    mikeyts Stream Warrior

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    I believe that the premium subscription channels do. There's a FAQ entry on HBO's site about their use of CGMS-A analog output protection and I assume that their attitude is the same about their digital content. I'd be surprised if the others didn't have similar policies.
     
  18. mattack

    mattack Active Member

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    It is at least *partly* TW's fault since they apparently copy protect many channels that are not required to be copy protected by the copyright owners (i.e. the channels themselves).

    I don't have a citation, but I think there was a discussion here years ago where someone actually got a channel to officially say that they didn't want copy protection. I don't remember what became of it.
     
  19. JoeTaxpayer

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    Can't disagree with that. Excellent suggestion.
     
  20. takeshi

    takeshi New Member

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    As pointed out in other posts in this thread: not all channels do yet TW has the flag (allegedly) enabled on all channels. If Fox does require it then, yes, TW should comply. The key word is if. If Fox doesn't then TW shouldn't.

    It's certainly possible that TW is like Comcast, only enabling the flag for providers like HBO that specify it. However, it seems unlikely that the OP would happen to only record shows with the flag enabled. Certainly possible...
     

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