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How to activate eSATA port on TiVo Series 3

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by spike2k5, May 4, 2007.

  1. May 5, 2007 #61 of 259
    bkdtv

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    Keep in mind that extra interface controllers -- as typically used to provide Firewire and/or USB output from a SATA drive -- tend to degrade disk performance / responsiveness.

    If you want the highest possible performance and responsiveness with your new drive on the Series3, you need to use an external SATA enclosure with passthrough, i.e. no extra controller chip.
     
  2. May 5, 2007 #62 of 259
    sriggins

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    Thanks - The case I ordered is eSata only, it has no bridge chipset according to the specs (TTE-0)

    Steve
     
  3. May 5, 2007 #63 of 259
    ZeoTiVo

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    seems kind of like the 30 sec skip. Not officially supported but hey - if you wnat to use it at your own risk, who are we to stop you :) :up: :up: :up:
     
  4. May 5, 2007 #64 of 259
    jfh3

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    Any recommendations?
     
  5. May 5, 2007 #65 of 259
    keenanSR

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    Posted in the other thread as well:

    I ended up getting a different drive. I went with the Seagate 500GB External Drive eSATA 3.0. Model No. ST3500601XS-RK

    http://www.compusa.com/products/pro...product_code=341441&Pn=eSATA_500GB_Hard_Drive
    CompUSA.com: Seagate eSATA 500GB Hard Drive - ST3500601XS-RK - Computer Upgrades ยป Hard Drives

    It was $162 out the door, there was some sort of $20 discount program, plus it comes with a 6' eSATA cable.

    Works perfect! :)

    Used with 8.3.1
     
  6. May 5, 2007 #66 of 259
    bkdtv

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    I haven't shopped for an enclosure in awhile, so I'm not familiar with all the choices. Just be sure to avoid units with USB and/or Firewire connections, because that means they run the signal through an extra controller, degrading performance. You want a unit with an eSATA port and nothing else.

    The WiebeTech ToughTech TTE-0 referenced above sounds like it would be a good option, but I'm sure there are plenty of others that would fit the bill as well.
     
  7. May 5, 2007 #67 of 259
    bkdtv

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    I have heard positive things about enclosures from Apricorn, but I'm not sure if they still make a SATA-only model It looks like their latest models all use a separate interface with a USB port.
     
  8. May 5, 2007 #68 of 259
    Cormode

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    Not necessarily true. I have a vantec enclosure with esata and usb. The wiring from the drive "T"s so the esata port sees the drive interface directly even though there is a USB bridge chip as well.
     
  9. May 6, 2007 #69 of 259
    MediaLivingRoom

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    I wonder if a eSATA RAID 5 with 4 SATA 1TB Drives would work if the extenal case had a build-in RAID controller?

    Then it could give us 3TB of data with RAID 5.
     
  10. May 6, 2007 #70 of 259
    bkdtv

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    My understanding from previous posts is that the Series3 currently supports a maximum of 1Tb per drive, i.e. 1Tb for the internal and 1Tb for the external.
     
  11. May 6, 2007 #71 of 259
    bkdtv

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    Good to know. Thanks.
     
  12. May 6, 2007 #72 of 259
    jstevenson

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    Hey all,

    Got the Maxtor drive and Vantec enclosure previously referenced as a combo that works. Hooked it all up, and re-booted the TiVo. I held pause and got the light, when I pressed 62 the orange light disappeared. It then would hit the "Just a Few Minutes more" screen... but shortly after that it would then reboot back to the "Powering up" screen and all the icons would light up again.

    So not exactly sure what's wrong... any ideas?

    JS
     
  13. May 6, 2007 #73 of 259
    MediaLivingRoom

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    I hope they upgrade the kernal to support a larger volume.
     
  14. May 6, 2007 #74 of 259
    Cormode

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    The kernel isn't the problem, but nearly every bit of code that touches anything within the MFS. To address a position in 2 TB array requires a 32 unsigned integer. Most of the tivo application package (and the design of the MFS itself) is built around 32 bit addressing. There are apparently a few places where the code referencing individual volumes is a signed 32 bit integer, meaning it can only address 1 TB.

    The 2 TB / 1TB limit is the Y2K of the Tivo. To allow addressing larger spaces would require 64 bit integers. To implement this would require a great deal of effort on the part of Tivo programmers. Every addressing reference needs to be found and updated, then tested and other errors in logic discovered and fixed. I suspect it will happen eventually, but don't expect it ever for the S3.
     
  15. May 6, 2007 #75 of 259
    Bighouse

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    This is all exciting news, but I'm wondering what impact it will have...

    Will TiVo Inc. somehow pull the plug on this leak by somehow further disabling this new found ability to hookup an external drive until they're ready (i.e. they have "approval" from Cablelabs) or until they can get some proprietary external drive ready for release (like their wifi adapter)?

    I'd run out today and get a drive, but I'm concerned that in a few days it might be rendered obsoltete!
     
  16. May 6, 2007 #76 of 259
    spike2k5

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    To disable kickstart 62, it's simple to do so they can release a software update to disable this quickly. But there are other ways to enable eSATA so why bother.

    To disable eSATA port, they have to tweak the way things work so it will take awhile to implement, test and release a new version. Lots of resources to devote unless they are force to do so due to whatever laws are out there.
    Also remember that recorded shows on eSATA drive are encrypted and married to your TiVo. So you can't just unplug and move it to anther TiVo or computer and play recorded shows.

    Once eSATA is initized and married to your internal drive, it will continue to work whether they disable kickstart 62 or not. They can issue a software update to force a hard divorce but you can disable software updates and block this. Then they can force poeple to get a software update and we can counter that and cycle continues...
    Bottom line is why would they go to extra miles to upset people and generate thousands of support calls.

    I hope they will just leave it alone and call it an unsupported feature on S3.

    Just my 2 cents....
     
  17. May 6, 2007 #77 of 259
    davezatz

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    I hope they enhance it... turn it on by default, improve those informations screens and fonts, and then sell branded eSATA drives as an option with the little TiVo guy logo. They'll make a few bucks, and I'll get a cool accessory. :)
     
  18. May 6, 2007 #78 of 259
    lcann44

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    I'm curious. What other ways are there to enable esata?

    And I totally agree that to disable it now would not be to their advantage and wouldn't make any sense at this point. And as you pointed out the two drives are married so it really doesn't make any sense to disable.

    Anyway, I thought I read that CableLabs had given the green light on the eSATA thing. Is this not so?
     
  19. May 6, 2007 #79 of 259
    Carsten

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    May I ask how long you knew of this hack. I googled your name and you came up on the ************ forums. I did notice that Narf posted the Kickstart 62 but no one really made it clear that with that you could force the thing to enable the eSata. I'ved noticed the kickstart 62 along time ago just didnt know you could get it to work on a orginal S3 (never invesitgated, my fault).

    What other ways can you activate the eSata?
     
  20. May 6, 2007 #80 of 259
    rodalpho

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    That's a bit overdramatic, don't you think? 1TB is enough for 120 hours of HD, which is way more than most consumers actually need. Certainly more than I need, for one.
     

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