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How Poll: How Many Streams will TiVo Sell in the six months?

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by sbiller, Sep 6, 2012.

How many TiVo Streams will TiVo Sell in the Next Six Months

Poll closed Sep 15, 2012.
  1. < 5,000

    44.6%
  2. 5,000 to 10,000

    17.6%
  3. 10,000 to 15,000

    12.2%
  4. > 15,000

    25.7%
  1. Sep 6, 2012 #1 of 66
    sbiller

    sbiller Active Member

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    I've read somewhere that there are about 500,000 Premiere boxes in circulation out of the current million or so TiVo Retail subscribers. We can theorize that there may be something like 1,000 Streams already sold. How many subscribers and new subscriber will be convinced to buy the TiVo Stream accessory?
     
  2. Sep 6, 2012 #2 of 66
    SullyND

    SullyND L:45-21 TCF Club

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    The stream is interesting. The Mini is the one which may get me to finally upgrade to a premiere.
     
  3. Sep 6, 2012 #3 of 66
    sbiller

    sbiller Active Member

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    It makes me wonder how many of the 500,000 or so Series 2 & 3 users will upgrade...
     
  4. Sep 6, 2012 #4 of 66
    aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    I would think the Mini will be more popular than the Stream. I wish the Mini was released first.

    Besides you can only use the stream right now if you use Apple products. The majority of the market is Android products. So if they drag their feet in releasing Android support, then that will limit their sales potential for the stream as well.
     
  5. Sep 6, 2012 #5 of 66
    sbiller

    sbiller Active Member

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    As of February 2012, Apple has sold 55 million iPads. I personally think the iPad is the main target and use case for the Stream.

    source: http://www.quora.com/iPad/How-many-iPads-have-been-sold-till-March-2012
     
  6. Sep 6, 2012 #6 of 66
    NotVeryWitty

    NotVeryWitty Too Big to Fail

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    The main market for this is tablets, not phones. And despite what the Apple-haters want to believe, the majority of the tablet market, by a wide margin, is iPad. When Apple releases the iPad Mini, I suspect the margin will grow even larger.

    The Android market is much more fractured too -- many more OS versions to deal with, and more product variations.
     
  7. Sep 6, 2012 #7 of 66
    compnurd

    compnurd New Member

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    I am an android fan but you hit the nail on the head
     
  8. Sep 6, 2012 #8 of 66
    button1066

    button1066 New Member

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    I was looking forward more to the Stream than the Mini. Depending on what the Mini ends up being like I might even prefer to buy another premiere with lifetime to do the same job but better and with extra tuners.

    As far as the Stream goes it is as close to a killer app as TiVo has released in a long time. I think it boosts the desirability of a TiVo over other DVRs through the roof.
     
  9. Sep 6, 2012 #9 of 66
    modnar

    modnar Active Member

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    Definitely. $129 is pretty darn cheap, and I feel like if they *could* get the price under $100, that would've made it even more desirable. Perhaps the development and production costs just aren't low enough for an item that has no direct subscription fees.
     
  10. compnurd

    compnurd New Member

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    I agree. I will purchase at some point in the future but 99 would have been impluse enough for me to do now
     
  11. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Active Member

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    I don't see it breaking 5000 unless they expand functionality to support desktop, laptops, and Android.

    Now if someone gets it working with KMTTG I could see it selling a few more. I don't see it breaking 10k though.
     
  12. Teeps

    Teeps Active Member

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    Agreed.
    And, even if they did expand support as above... For me this article makes it a non starter: http://www.multichannel.com/article/489163-TiVo_Stream_Blocks_DVR_Content_Flagged_Copy_Once_.php

    I cannot understand why anyone would want to watch HD material on a 7" screen. Seems like an oxymoron.
     
  13. morac

    morac Cat God

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    How many of those 500,000 Premieres are cable company provided? From what I've read the Stream won't work with Premiere's provided by cable companies, only user bought Premieres.

    According to TiVo's latest quarterly results, they only have 1,057,000 customer owned subscribers compared with 1,658,000 MSO subscribers. Those numbers should include customers with lifetime service on the Premiere since the amortization period for the Premiere shouldn't be up yet. The number also includes Series 1, 2 and 3 boxes with month to month subscriptions.

    In any case, based on the number of people who jumped at the chance to pre-order a Stream (less than 20 people based on posts in these forums), I'd say TiVo will have a hard time selling 5000 of these by March. Not unless the price drops.
     
  14. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    The headline on that article is very misleading. The Stream can stream anything, no matter how it's protected. The only thing it blocks is offline downloading, which is to be expected as TiVoToGo has the same restrictions.

    Dan
     
  15. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    So they have actually sold 55 million iPads in the US? I would have thought it was lower. That is 17% of the US population which is amazing.

    Sent from my HTC ReZound using Forum Runner
     
  16. sbiller

    sbiller Active Member

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    I think that is a global number but I would guess its north of 40 in the US.
     
  17. d_anders

    d_anders Sr Legacy Member

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    I'm sure there will be some bundling deals for black friday and Christmas/Holiday shopping. It's a great way to sell Premiere's this Fall/Winter, and it makes for a nice add-on for existing premiere customers who have Ipads.

    TiVo knows the potential for this because they know exactly how many people have downloaded and are using the TiVo app with their premieres...they will definitely be able to push targeted marketing directly to those customers with their TiVo Premieres and using the app.

    It's definitely a killer app/device, and yes, with the eventual Android app update, it should have even better potential.

    If TiVo is smart, they will also update TivoDesktop to be able to connect to it as well for faster downloads to PCs.
     
  18. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    +1

    The Desktop app has been stale for way too long. They need to update it badly. In addition to Stream support to the desktop they also need to add H.26 pull support without recoding, and updated music and photos apps. If they can tie this all together, and finally finish the HDUI, then I think they will really be back in the game.

    Dan
     
  19. smbaker

    smbaker Well-Known Member

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    I think they can easily beat 15,000 units.
     
  20. rtmoore4

    rtmoore4 New Member

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    Then you don't have one of the new iPads with the Retina display. On it's 9.6" screen, HD content is glorious.
     

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