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How much do you pay monthly for your SDV Tuning Adapter?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by sbiller, Jan 27, 2012.

  1. davezatz

    davezatz Funkadelic

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    Yeah, I've never heard of a provider charging for a Tuning Adapter. And that's not exactly how the cable industry pitched the solution way back when... Pretty twisted. "Rent this CableCARD. BUT if you really want to view all the channels your digital subscription offers, you'll also have to rent this additional box."
     
  2. sbiller

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    Thanks everyone for your feedback on Tuning Adapters, CableCARD cost, etc. I just filed another letter to the FCC as a comment on the 97-80 proceeding.

    Please see this link if your interested in reading.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/80467547/Biller-Filing-Feb-2012
     
  3. davezatz

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    This tuning adapter thread is pissing me off. Well tuning adapters, not the actual thread or posters. :) I'm percolating a post. In the meantime, I went through some old emails. I had asked TiVo, Inc if they could determine how often my Cox TA was rebooting...

    Fortunately, I'm off Cox and supposedly Cisco TAs are more reliable these days. But having to pay for a second set-top box to use a first is maddening (when CableCARD was intended to eliminate such shenanigans).

    EDIT: The year was 2010, fyi. By 2011 I'd moved on to FiOS for TiVo nirvana.
     
  4. davezatz

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    I thought Sam might be confused, surely Bright House couldn't be charging for a flakey tuning adapter and thought maybe it was an AO fee of some sort. But he sent me a copy of his bill (thank you!) and sure enough, there it is. It seems like in some cases BH will waive the fee the first year and/or if you complain enough. Here's an image I'll run hopefully tomorrow with my corresponding post. Maybe I'm just tilting at windmills.

    [​IMG]
     
  5. windracer

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    Yep, I just came off of my free year of a TA from Brighthouse (same area as sbiller) so I can confirm they definitely charge extra for them! :thumbsdown:
     
  6. nrc

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    Great job, sbiller. We need more of these kind of consumer oriented filings to deliver the message to the FCC that MSOs will continue to resist their efforts to set a level playing field until they leave no more room for them maneuver.

    They need to either proceed with AllVid rulemaking in a way that gives MSOs no room for sabotage or revisit their CableCARD rules.
     
  7. GymmyH

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    This is interesting, I'm in Gwinnett with Charter-
    Cablecard $2
    TA $2
     
  8. davezatz

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  9. windracer

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    Great!

    I noticed that the fee went up from $3.80 last month to $4.00 this month. Guess they are squeezing me for every last bit before they drop that cost.
     
  10. shaown

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    Cablevision:
    Cablecards - $2 each
    TAs - Free (I have 3)
    -Shaown
     
  11. SirMontego

    SirMontego New Member

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    Question: How much do I pay monthly for my SDV Tuning Adapter?

    Answer: $0 to the cable company and $2.00 to the electric company.

    My Cisco STA1520 is a real energy hog considering it doesn't actually do much. It uses 9 watts of electricity (as measured by a kill-a-watt). At 35 cents a kilowatt hour, that comes out to about $25 a year.

    For reference, my wireless router uses less electricity and does a lot more.

    It seems rather disingenuous for the FCC to mandate cable cards, but the cable companies to require an energy hog device to use that cable card. I think the FCC needs to threaten cable providers to provide more energy efficient tuning adapters or else they'll allow companies like tivo to install tuning adapters in the tivo machines.

    As a related matter, the issue of inefficient tuning adapters has been presented to the FCC (as evident in the October 14, 2010 order, paragraph 12) and they haven't done anything. :(
     
  12. CybrFyre

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    None. I'm not eligible for any of the bundles as I'm supplying my own equipment. So, my cost to Time Warner is MORE. I'd be better off paying for their box in a bundle and just putting their box in the basement someplace.

    -- Time Warner Central New York. --
     
  13. sharkster

    sharkster Well-Known Member

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    With mine (Charter Cable) the adapters are not charged for and the cable cards are - first one free and $2 for the second one.
     
  14. talexander7

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    Knology in Huntsville, Alabama doesn't even know what a Tuner Adapter is.
     
  15. SixthAve

    SixthAve New Member

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    Charter Cable in Knoxville, TN:
    • $2.00 per month, per cable card (first one free)
    • $5.00 per month for HD content, per cable card
    • Tuning Adapters are free
     
  16. lrhorer

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    I just switched from Time Warner to Grande CATV. For years under TWC, my CableCards were $2.95, then they dropped the price to $1.95. Three TAs were free. Unfortunately, Grande charges $2.99 for CabeCards, and with 2 S3 TiVos and 1 THD, that hurts. OTOH, they do provide a TiVo Premier at no additional cost. ('Piece of garbage, really.) They don't support SDV, unfortunately.

    Even with the additional CC cost, however, Grande is cheaper and provides much better internet service.
     
  17. lrhorer

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    Mine weren't perfectly reliable, but they were fairly so. 'Certainly far more reliable than any Windows PC. In over three years they only failed to record about a dozen shows that were not on again shortly.

    No, it goes back to the genesis of the TA. At the time CableLabs was desperately trying to put together a solution for downloadable security, but it was clear they could not get it working any time soon - soon meaning 2 years or more. At the same time, the 3rd party manufacturers were pushing hard for the FCC to accept DCR+, which could have been ratified immediately and implemented upon FCC demand within 6 months. At the same time, TiVo, TiVo owners, and some 3rd party manufacturers were pressing CableLabs and the FCC to come up with a solution for SDV in UDCP devices.

    CableLabs was Terrified that the FCC would demand the CATV companies implement DCR+, since it would destroy not only their plans for downloadable security and their long term deployment strategy, but also completely destroy the control they covet over content deployment and subscriber activity. With that in mind, they collaborated with TiVo and certain other manufacturers to come up with the TA in order to forestall an FCC decision in favor of DCR+. Due to completely obtuse reasoning, they chose the worst available design: a USB based TA.
     
  18. lrhorer

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    Yeah, they do put out the heat a bit. The embedded RF amplifier doesn't help.

    TiVo would never do that. It would be stupid. They would have to try, with very little success, to deliver each type of resulting TiVo model to each municipality using the particular TA in question. They would also have to field thousands of complaints from disgruntled owners who changed CATV companies, or moved to another city. They would be unable to do anything for those plaintiffs except give them a new TiVo.
     

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