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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by sbiller, Jan 27, 2012.
2.00 each, net 4.00
Thanks for the clarification. It looks like all cable operators are at least consistent across their enterprise! I'm surprised that BHN is charging so much for the TA when all of the other's are providing it for free. I'm actually surprised the others haven't figure out a way to recoup the hardware cost of providing the TA which I'm guessing is approximately $3.80/mo for 60 months = ~$228.00.
Here is an article from LightReading that discusses the state of SDV with Comcast. Unfortunately it appears they are one of the few cable operators that are "skipping" SDV and investing in modernizing their cable head-ends. They continue to play around with SDV as well so they could flip-flop on the issue again.
Unfortunately? That seems like a fortunate thing to me. One less cable split, one less device to cause problems and one less wall wart sucking power.
I agree. Sorry for the double negative! I wish all the cable operators would take Comcast's approach and abandon QAM for IP delivery direct to home.
+1! major pita and yet another source of failure. every time they move channels around on the sdv i lose my signal for up to 48hrs and no one can explain or fix it.
here's my data point:
time-warner north texas extended digital service
cable card: $2.00ea (i only have two, but they are charging me for three. there is no separate line item for tuning adaptor, but i have another $2.00 charge for 'defeatured equipment'). the worst part is that i am terrified to call and complain because they end up disconnecting one of my moving parts and kill my service. these people are truly awful--there are just no words. any other viable option and i'd be gone.
that is last month's bill. i now have an elite which only uses one cable card, but i can't get any to work so i currently am in possession of five of them. god knows how much they'll charge me next month.
Gwinnett County, GA - Charter
$3 - cable card
Free - TA
Umm, what? No.. Then you wouldn't be able to use a Tivo..
Plus, wouldn't you be much more likely to get glitches (i.e. like when watching video streamed in a browser), compared to _relatively_ much rarer glitches when watching a channel continuously broadcast on cable? (Yes, there are glitches, especially since it went digital)
Hmmm. I don't think so. The program is still delivered to the box (i.e., recorded). Its just utilizing IP technology instead of QAM. Its also possible that they (Comcast) use MPEG-4 instead of MPEG-2 to gain more bandwidth and avoid SDV. I'm a bit confused on the technical details. I'm hoping I can get MegaZone to jump in and clarify.
The only way TiVo handles IP tech now is with ~apps.
Thats how the seachange VOD stuff works.
Comcast (and other cable cos) compress lesser desired channels to smaller bitrate envelopes to get more channels in.... even without going to mpeg4.
This is what the satellite companies do... and it's why Comcast, etc. PQ used to be better than mpeg2 satellite.... and why FiOS PQ used to (still is?) be better than Comcast, etc.
There's obviously other ways to fit more channels in... but the final form coming into your house right now is not IP with few exceptions (like FiOS VOD, ATT, SeaChange VOD).
Charter, Worcester, MA:
CableCARD $2/month each
Tuning adapters - free
As for the question of content being delivered over IP - I believe TiVo's hardware could do that, it just doesn't do it today outside of 'apps'. But the HW is there and software is fungible. They could do it like SDV. When you tune an SDV channel the TiVo is smart enough to know it has to use the Tuning Adapter to make a special request for the channel. For IP delivered channels I'd expect it'd just have a new branch on the decision tree and for those channels it'd make an IP request for the content over broadband. I could see the server info being transparently configured via the one-way data channel that is enabled by CableCARD. That's used today for configuring SDV, and it is used on cable SDVs and tru2way devices to configure the server info.
As for glitches - no more than QAM. I know I've gone on about this before on other forums, like InvestorVillage, but this should NOT be compared to Internet services like Netflix or Amazon. IP != Internet. A private IP network is a very different beast with very different parameters. The content would be coming from MSO servers, probably local edge servers just as OnDemand content is delivered today. Same infrastructure, same content, just IP carrier instead of QAM. The one difference would be the local network within the home, but MSOs might insist on MoCA just as Verizon does today, and not a customer-run LAN.
MSOs are moving to IP delivery. Verizon has made it clear that they intend to take FiOS all-IP and drop QAM over time. Comcast has also indicated they would like to go all-IP over time. It just makes sense for them to do so, they already need to run IP networks for the new types of services they're introducing and they may as well drop QAM and only maintain the IP system.
One more question for the group. What credit or discount, if any, is your cable operator providing since you are bringing your own retail box?
Cox Arizona - None
Packages do not include the cost of equipment.
Interesting. Thanks. My providers packages include one non-DVR STB so they provide an $8.00 credit for consumers who do not receive the box.
... except I can never find that explicitly listed on my statement.
Windracer, good point. I had to compare my statement to a friend's statement to see the $8.00 delta. I also heard it verbally from BHN but I wanted to verify.
Comcast - Staunton, VA
None as the Digital Preferred package here does not include equipment. This year's price guide was updated with a footnote stating so as well probably due to the credit.
Zero. Verizon FiOS here charges $20/month for a Multi-Room DVR, $15/month for a regular DVR.
Interesting. So it looks like BHN is the only cable operator that bundles a set top box in their pricing.